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02-09-2006, 01:41 AM
Andrea Bargnani, SF/PF
20 years old 7'0" 225 lbs.
Benetton Treviso, International
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Pufforrohk
02-09-2006, 03:23 PM
I have never seen anything like this guy, he shoots like a guard, he dribbles like a guard, he dunks like a guard, his "problem" is that he's 211 cm tall (7 feet).
I don't think he can ever play center (like Nowitzky has done sometimes) but in the future he could became a very good forward.
Toxicity
02-10-2006, 08:45 PM
I have never seen anything like this guy, he shoots like a guard, he dribbles like a guard, he dunks like a guard, his "problem" is that he's 211 cm tall (7 feet).
I don't think he can ever play center (like Nowitzky has done sometimes) but in the future he could became a very good forward.
Yeah, Andrea has SG/SF skills in a PF body...
The mago
02-12-2006, 08:20 AM
Andrea can shoot, period.
He has also a nice first step, he can go on the left and on the right, with great coordination.
Offensively, Bargnani is ready to play the NBA level right now. He opens the floor with his ability to shoot the 3.
Defensively he has to add some weight, but he can guard power fowards.
Bargnani has great feel for the game, in this season he has hit some huge baskets in the late games.
I don't know too much about Aldridge, but Andrea can play, it's not like Tskitishvili or Cabarkapa.
He can be the first pick
hmm, I want to see him play in the workout against other prospects. Then we can see.
Toxicity
02-13-2006, 05:44 PM
hmm, I want to see him play in the workout against other prospects. Then we can see.
Workout, what a bad word... doesn't mean much... players like Skita or Milicic are workout animals, not exactly NBA players... if a player shows he can produce in tough competitions like Euroleague or Italian and Spain 1st divisions, that' all!
Manumismo
02-13-2006, 07:59 PM
You guys know more about him than me, does he have a strong post up game, or is he just a tall 3?
jungleman
02-14-2006, 08:55 AM
You guys know more about him than me, does he have a strong post up game, or is he just a tall 3?
He has not showed any reliable post up game thus far. HE's a tall 3, anyway he's more effective guarding the opposite power forward on defense.
His main strenght is when he can shot the 3's or pass his defender slashing to the basket.
Toxicity
02-14-2006, 11:03 AM
He has not showed any reliable post up game thus far. HE's a tall 3, anyway he's more effective guarding the opposite power forward on defense.
His main strenght is when he can shot the 3's or pass his defender slashing to the basket.
Jungleman is right, but in the last Euroleague game against Olimpja Lubjana he showed 3-4 nice back-to-the-basket moves (ended with points or fouls draw)...
It won't be his main weapon but i think he's improving in low post...
bigman
02-27-2006, 05:23 PM
Can he play defense? I know he is leading the Italian league in blocks. And he has been coming on in the EuroLeague.
From what I have read he looks like a terrific prospect. However, I always wandered why would team look for a 7 taller that can shoot 3s. I don't care if he is the best gard ever for a 7 footer, I am pretty comfident that he will never actually play guard or be any better than a skilled 6-2. With the exception of Dirk, I believe that if he has the physic of a 5 and plays 3, there might potentially be a problem.
Genjuro
02-28-2006, 04:27 AM
Can he play defense? I know he is leading the Italian league in blocks. And he has been coming on in the EuroLeague.
Yes, he can play defense. He's not the best defender in the world, but I think he can become a decent one. He has athleticism and length, he has some brains and some attitude also.
From what I have read he looks like a terrific prospect. However, I always wandered why would team look for a 7 taller that can shoot 3s. I don't care if he is the best gard ever for a 7 footer, I am pretty comfident that he will never actually play guard or be any better than a skilled 6-2. With the exception of Dirk, I believe that if he has the physic of a 5 and plays 3, there might potentially be a problem.
He's all the way a power forward, a face-up power forward. I don't see that much of a problem. He will take advantage of his excellent perimeter stroke and his slashing skills being matched against other PFs.
bigman
02-28-2006, 10:54 AM
SO if the Bulls draft him they will still need an inside player. Darn! I was hoping he could be a backup to Aldrige if the Knicks don't drop enough to get us to the top spot. An Aldrige/ Chandler front court looks better that a Bargnani/Chandler one.
wardjdim
03-02-2006, 04:33 AM
Bargnani really is a fantastic talent..
What he did yesterday against Panathinaikos in a really hot game was great. He has turned to be the steadiest and most productive player of Banetton over the past two months and this is a thing to praise.
I think that he is still in the game for the top pick this summer.
Pufforrohk
03-02-2006, 01:40 PM
For the people that didn't see him play yesterday night, on euroleague.net there is a small clip of the game, featuring a layup with a foul and a no-sense three point shot. Wow.:)
11player
03-02-2006, 03:39 PM
How is his contract situation? Will he be free to go to NBA in the offseason?
It will directly influence his draft position.
Toxicity
03-03-2006, 10:58 AM
How is his contract situation? Will he be free to go to NBA in the offseason?
It will directly influence his draft position.
His contract will expire in 2007 but Benetton will let him go out next summer with a buyout like they did with Skita and Nachbar... so no problem at all from this point of view.
Now Andrea has to decide if to enter or not to enter in the next draft... i think he'll enter because he feels ready.
Charlie Bury
03-05-2006, 11:34 PM
Will Bargnani play for the Italian National team at this summer's World Championships, or will he play for his NBA team's summer league?
Pufforrohk
03-06-2006, 02:48 AM
I think he will play in the World Championship, we need him! He could be our starting PF, if coach Recalcati will make the right choices.
Toxicity
03-06-2006, 07:33 AM
I think he will play in the World Championship, we need him! He could be our starting PF, if coach Recalcati will make the right choices.
I agree. Andrea is the best player we have in Italy so he (and Belinelli of course) has to be the starting PF of our NT! But i'm very doubtful about Recalcati attitude... :mad:
bigman
03-06-2006, 06:06 PM
On the realgm forum for the Bulls, one poster has said that Andrea is not a finished product who gets pushed around on defense. He also states that he is a bad rebounder. This poster claims to have seen Bargnani 7-8 times this year and he is in Europe for sure. Now I do not expect him to be Dirk Nowitski next year, how far is he from Nowitski.? This poster makes it sound like he just as likely to be like Darko and Skita as Dirk.
From what I can read about him, he is at least as advanced as Pau Gasol and he did not do too bad his rookie year.
Toxicity
03-06-2006, 08:50 PM
On the realgm forum for the Bulls, one poster has said that Andrea is not a finished product who gets pushed around on defense. He also states that he is a bad rebounder. This poster claims to have seen Bargnani 7-8 times this year and he is in Europe for sure. Now I do not expect him to be Dirk Nowitski next year, how far is he from Nowitski.? This poster makes it sound like he just as likely to be like Darko and Skita as Dirk.
From what I can read about him, he is at least as advanced as Pau Gasol and he did not do too bad his rookie year.
Sometimes he gets pushed around on defense because lacks strenght but i think he can improve a lot with NBA trainers... ;)
He's not a great rebounder but neither a bad...
That poster is wrong if compares Bargnani with Darko and Skita (only projects when selected while Bargnani is producing a lot)... he's quite far from Dirk but it's natural because he needs to understand better the game and improve in some aspects like Dirk did. I think it will take 3-4 NBA years to see if Andrea can fill his potential or remain a good but not exceptional player (at NBA level)...
Genjuro
03-07-2006, 10:07 AM
This poster makes it sound like he just as likely to be like Darko and Skita as Dirk.
From what I can read about him, he is at least as advanced as Pau Gasol and he did not do too bad his rookie year.
I think we can easily say that Andrea is significantly closer to become a star in the NBA than a player as Skita, but the danger is still there.
For many European players, there are only two options: to be a star (Nowitzki, Stojakovic, Gasol, Okur) or a bust (Tskitishvili, Nachbar, Planinic, López). I would say that it's the case for skilled guys without the physical built and defensive intensity to become valuable role players in the NBA. Bargnani might be one of them.
However, Bargnani is still not as advanced as Gasol was in his last months in Europe.
KristianH
03-07-2006, 11:23 AM
It is me or is Bargnani kind of selfish?
Charlie_S
03-07-2006, 03:51 PM
It is me or is Bargnani kind of selfish?
This is partly right, as you don't see him pass the ball much. But sometimes you don't see some of his teammates give it to him either... I think that if he was more involved in the offensive game he would share the ball more.
In the past weeks he's starting to get more opportunities, so we'll see what happens about it in the near future.
bigman
03-08-2006, 10:53 AM
Chad Ford has Bargnani dropping on his big list. Interestingly he states that Andrea is not producing. I wonder if it is because he is not strong enough for the NBA? Of course Ford may not be the best judge until the actual draft.
Pufforrohk
03-08-2006, 11:56 AM
Chad Ford has Bargnani dropping on his big list. Interestingly he states that Andrea is not producing. I wonder if it is because he is not strong enough for the NBA? Of course Ford may not be the best judge until the actual draft.
He Is not producing? What? is 9th for points and 8th for rebounds in the Top16!
Yes he's not very strong, but i think that Nba trainers will help him.:)
bigman
03-08-2006, 12:35 PM
sorry typo. Ford said he is starting to produce. Doh! See Link:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2006/index
Jonathan
03-08-2006, 02:08 PM
He did say recently that his stock had taken a hit (from what, I don't know) but Chad seems to always be about 2 weeks behind the curve on every draft prospect this year so by the time he writes it, it's already basically worthless. Very disappointing since their draft coverage was so much better in years past. I guess it's hard to scout guys living in Hawaii.
KristianH
03-08-2006, 02:49 PM
Bargnani went scoreless today, very poor outing for him. Blatt just give up on him in second half. Still, he is young, inconsistency is normal.
bigman
03-08-2006, 03:32 PM
Maybe this time Chad could see this scoreless game by Bargnani from Hawaii!!
Must have had foul trouble. Also why didn't Drew Nicholas start? Blatt seems to have a weird way of playing his team.
KristianH
03-08-2006, 03:42 PM
Nicholas was in starting five, and played almost all the time until the fouled out. Bargnani was not in foul trouble, he was just teribble on defensive side and couldn`t connect anything on offense, Davison was too explosive for him.
Genjuro
03-09-2006, 08:13 AM
Nicholas was in starting five, and played almost all the time until the fouled out. Bargnani was not in foul trouble, he was just teribble on defensive side and couldn`t connect anything on offense, Davison was too explosive for him.
Actually, he committed his first foul as soon as he touched the court, and he had to step out in the first quarter after the second one.
Anyway, he looked disappeared out there.
Toxicity
03-09-2006, 09:05 AM
Beyond his poor performance (no excuses for him), i wonder why Blatt prefers to start with Popovic instead of Andrea... :confused:
This coach isn't helping Andrea so much...
KristianH
03-09-2006, 10:02 AM
I guess Blatt thought that Popovic could better guard strong Mate Skelin, he is also better post scorer then Bargnani.
I miss those two fouls, my bad.
bigman
03-09-2006, 10:25 AM
If Bennet Davison was too explosive for him, how could he guard Rasheed Wallace or KG? It is not like Davison is a stud that is just steps from NBA stardom. I would think that Bargnani should have had a good game. THis will affect his draft status but it could be overlooked with another good game.
jonatansimon
03-09-2006, 10:45 AM
I live in Spain, and I saw BArgnani plays a few times, he has a tremendous offensive potential, but on defense is very weak, he steals a blocks shots, but on pure defense will be overplayed bye most PF on the L
bigman
03-09-2006, 11:03 AM
To me it sounds the only Euro ready for the NBA right now is Splitter. I could be wrong and I hope that Bargnani is great, mainly because he could very easily end up in a Bulls uni next year. But it sounds like he could use one more year of seasoning in Europe before stepping foot in the NBA.
Toxicity
03-09-2006, 12:24 PM
If Bennet Davison was too explosive for him, how could he guard Rasheed Wallace or KG? It is not like Davison is a stud that is just steps from NBA stardom. I would think that Bargnani should have had a good game. THis will affect his draft status but it could be overlooked with another good game.
It's just a game. I'm not too worried about it...
Anyway Davison is explosive even for NBA standards.
Toxicity
03-09-2006, 12:26 PM
To me it sounds the only Euro ready for the NBA right now is Splitter.
Well, Tiago isn't euro... ;)
I don't know who is ready or not, we'll se next year.
KristianH
03-09-2006, 01:32 PM
I think Bulls should pick Bargnani rather then Splitter if it comes to these two. Tiago might be more ready to step in and produce from day one, but his ceiling isn`t as high as Splitter and Andrea is more effective as a scorer, which fills Bulls needs better then adding another defensive minded bigmen next to Chandler.
Tiago will probably have more succes in first season then Andrea, but i think Bargnani will end up being better player. He might not be as good as Nowitzki, but i see him as a atleast 15 point per night scorer when he reaches his prime. Why i think Bargnani is not gonna have great rookie year, is because at first he is not classic PF and he will need to find a team where they let him roam on perimeter and utilize him fantastic face up game rather then bang in post where he isn`t very good at the moment. For a 7-footer with nice athleticism Bargnani is kind of poor rebounder. He does not seem overly interesed in crashing the boards, he doesn`t box-out very well, also his jumping ability is not so impressive like his speed. With time i think he will fullfil as a not spectacular, but very solid defensive player. What bothers me more is him basketball IQ and passing ability. He is not bad in either, but he doesn`t excel here, which is painful because his driving ability is so good and he could create shots for other with easy that way.
Because this draft class is poor, Andrea will end up being higher pick then he should. Top 3 spot is realistic, which will just add more pressure to him. I hope he doesn`t enter the draft this year, because he could benefith so much by staying some more years at Benneton. If he does apply, then he will go to the NBA because teams will demand promise to sign contract immediately becaue what happened last year with Tiago Splitter.
bigman
03-09-2006, 05:20 PM
I am glad to heart the defense of Andrea. I do think the Bulls could end up with both Splitter and Bargnani, with a top 3 pick and the 10-12 pick in the draft. Most Bulls fans want Aldrige though.
petro
03-10-2006, 03:30 PM
The beauty about Andrea has been his continued development over this current season. His production in the Euroleage has been spectacular... except for the last game against Cibona of Croatia.
Andrea is loaded with talent and potential and a strong work ethic... and if he proves himself further at the camps and individual workouts... he very well may be the first Euro to be drafted first overall.
KristianH
03-12-2006, 01:49 PM
One interesting stat: Bargnani played 745 minutes in Euroleague and Italian league combined and dished out just 13 assists total, which means that he log assist every 57.3 minutes on the court.
Genjuro
03-12-2006, 03:20 PM
One interesting stat: Bargnani played 745 minutes in Euroleague and Italian league combined and dished out just 13 assists total, which means that he log assist every 57.3 minutes on the court.
Yeah. He either passes the ball in the ball rotation or creates for himself. He never creates for his teammates.
By the way, he seems to have bounced back strong today: 18 points and 11 rebounds.
Toxicity
03-12-2006, 05:27 PM
Yeah. He either passes the ball in the ball rotation or creates for himself. He never creates for his teammates.
By the way, he seems to have bounced back strong today: 18 points and 11 rebounds.
Plus 3 blocks and 7 fouls drawn, all in 29'. He ruled the game both in offense and difense like i've never seen before from him... in the end a frustrated Bagaric (taken much times by Bargnani off the dribble) committed also a dirty foul on Andrea slashing to the basket...
Chilliwilly
03-12-2006, 08:57 PM
With Bargnani now being projected to go first overall is it because Andrea has beeen playing THAT well or just Gay and Aldridge not playing up to expectations.
Toxicity
03-13-2006, 10:10 AM
With Bargnani now being projected to go first overall is it because Andrea has beeen playing THAT well or just Gay and Aldridge not playing up to expectations.
I don't know if Gay and Aldridge are not playing up to expecations but i know for sure that Bargnani is showing what he's able to do when receives a decent PT... i expect him to play 25 or more minutes in the next decisive games if Benetton wants to be competitive.
bigman
03-15-2006, 10:08 AM
Plus 3 blocks and 7 fouls drawn, all in 29'. He ruled the game both in offense and difense like i've never seen before from him... in the end a frustrated Bagaric (taken much times by Bargnani off the dribble) committed also a dirty foul on Andrea slashing to the basket...
Did Andrea guard Dalibar? Dalibar was not too good for the Bulls when he was there and he would be a good indicator. Dalibar did have 18 in the game, if I recall correctly. Dalibar is a center not a power forward like Bargnani. There is a google video from a recent game that is over 3 minutes long. Does that represent his game?
Toxicity
03-15-2006, 10:54 AM
Did Andrea guard Dalibar? Dalibar was not too good for the Bulls when he was there and he would be a good indicator. Dalibar did have 18 in the game, if I recall correctly. Dalibar is a center not a power forward like Bargnani. There is a google video from a recent game that is over 3 minutes long. Does that represent his game?
For some minutes Andrea guarded Bagaric, because he's the only 7-foot in Benetton and Slokar and Popovic had fouls troubles... and at the same time Bagaric guarded Bargnani (i don't know why his coach put Dalibor on a much quicker player like Andrea)... Dalibor had 18 points but only 3 rebounds.
That video represents a good part of his game but not totally. Lately he's trying also other solutions (in low post, etc)...
KristianH
03-15-2006, 03:24 PM
Bagaric is better players then when he was with the Bulls, he might be back in NBA next year. He is big, stong, not a bad athlete with solid post skills so someone may give him a shoot. He could be decent backup center.
Charlie_S
03-15-2006, 04:13 PM
You know, most of Bagaric's points came when Dalibor was guarded by Popovic, definitely one of the worse defenders in the whole top 16.
However, Bagaric has (had?) great potential, with his size, post skills and decent mobility, but the problem is in his head...
osaurus
03-15-2006, 08:10 PM
does any1 have a link to a video clip on Andrea??
Toxicity
03-16-2006, 07:57 AM
Two clips from Efes Pilsen-Benetton:
http://digilander.iol.it/italianbasketball/and1.avi
http://digilander.iol.it/italianbasketball/and2.avi
In the first he's pure Dirk...
bigman
03-16-2006, 09:12 AM
Sounds like he had a nice game against Efes Pilsen - 12 pts, 7 rebounds and he was fouled 7 times and took 10 free throws, making 9.
11player
03-16-2006, 10:51 AM
Sorry if I'm bringing back a discussed matter but, what is Bargnani's contract situation? I've heard before his contract would end at the current season. Is it true?
Toxicity
03-16-2006, 12:31 PM
Sorry if I'm bringing back a discussed matter but, what is Bargnani's contract situation? I've heard before his contract would end at the current season. Is it true?
No, his contract will expire in 2007. But, as Benetton GM had already said, with a decent buy-out they'll let Andrea go away (like they did with Skita)... so it's not a problem at all.
KristianH
03-16-2006, 01:02 PM
Bargnani needs to adress some weaknesses if he wants to be succesful in the NBA from day one, he would be best served to stay another year in Europe, but that is not gonna happen since he has a good shot at being first pick and this class is worst in years. With Greg Oden and some others available he wouldn`t be that high next year.
Toxicity
03-24-2006, 10:03 AM
Bargnani leads the Euroleague Top 16 in steals! His 2.6 spg are impressive alone but if you consider he's 7'0" and plays just 24 mpg... :eek:
His stats in Top 16 so far:
12.2 ppg
5.6 rpg
2.6 spg
0.8 bpg
4.0 fouls drawn per game
14.8 Efficiency rating
24.4 mpg
Genjuro
03-24-2006, 12:08 PM
I didn't like him on Wednesday. His defense was really poor as soon as he picked the first two fouls, just as his shot selection, and his team played better with him on the bench.
Toxicity
03-24-2006, 03:36 PM
I didn't like him on Wednesday. His defense was really poor as soon as he picked the first two fouls, just as his shot selection, and his team played better with him on the bench.
Yeah, of course not his best game... but i think Benetton has chances (few anyway) to qualify for Euroleague Top 8 only if Andrea plays much minutes without stupid teenager fouls... the next game against Panathinaikos will be decisive for both Benetton and Bargnani himself.
KristianH
03-24-2006, 05:13 PM
I have my doubts about Andrea`s basketball IQ, that might make it harder for him to take full advantage of his potential.
Any word as to when he will take place in workouts in the US?
I am just getting antsy.
BusBoyIsBack
03-28-2006, 12:13 AM
Hey everyone, new guy here. I'm a Hawks Fan and we desperately need a big man. I have never seen Bargnani play but from the scouting reports it sounds like he really could be the next Gasol/Dirk.
I know some people that are real skeptical about the Euro prospects. But I think I heard somewhere that the Euroleague is better than the NCAA. Someone called me crazy for stating this but is this true? And how so?
Toxicity
03-28-2006, 08:03 AM
Hey everyone, new guy here. I'm a Hawks Fan and we desperately need a big man. I have never seen Bargnani play but from the scouting reports it sounds like he really could be the next Gasol/Dirk.
I know some people that are real skeptical about the Euro prospects. But I think I heard somewhere that the Euroleague is better than the NCAA. Someone called me crazy for stating this but is this true? And how so?
You're not crazy man! ;)
Euroleague is way better than NCAA... one reason? Men are playing there while kids are playing in NCAA (no matter how athletic they're).
So, after seeing NCAA prospects lately (not impressed me), Andrea Bargnani is the real deal of the draft.
jonatansimon
03-28-2006, 08:06 AM
Euroleague is a better league than NCAA....remember that in euroleague plays one of the better players outside NBA, this players with their national teams beat TEAM USA in the last 5 years....so dont think euroleague is weak...
Gasol has a better IQ than bargnani, better defender (A.B is weak on defense), BArgnani looks more like Dirk, good movements to find his shot, fast & good Shooting Accuracy, needs to add strength to his game...
I think is a way better than milicic, but need time & need minutes....I think Portland or Atlanta could be great teams to see the real bargnani.
The mago
03-29-2006, 09:33 AM
Euroleague is a better league than NCAA....remember that in euroleague plays one of the better players outside NBA, this players with their national teams beat TEAM USA in the last 5 years....so dont think euroleague is weak...
Gasol has a better IQ than bargnani, better defender (A.B is weak on defense), BArgnani looks more like Dirk, good movements to find his shot, fast & good Shooting Accuracy, needs to add strength to his game...
I think is a way better than milicic, but need time & need minutes....I think Portland or Atlanta could be great teams to see the real bargnani.
I agree that Euroleague is better than NCAA, but I also think that is easier to translate from college to NBA than from Europe to America...
In my opinion Gasol and Nowitzki are very similar... they don't play D! they rebound very well, but they don't seem real interested in their own paint. Bargnani doesn't seem so. He isn't a great defender by now, but he tries... playing a couple of years in Euroleague means that if you don't play D the coach doesn't play you!
Andrea isn't a great rebounder yet, but has all the tools to become a double digit one.
His offensive game lacks post moves (he must add weight!), but when he faces the basket he plays like a guard! I'm not talking about his shooting ability! he has an incredible first step, both with right and left hand, great coordination to get to the hoop.
Again, he must add weight to finish strong to the hoop, but we're talkin' about a guy who's born in the 1985!
And his outside shot is very close to Nowizki's one!
With Tyrus Thomas, Rudy Gay and Joakim Noah has the chance to be the next number 1 pick
I think that Bargnani should have a high call at the draft because he can become a very productive player in a period of 2-3 years. I don't know if he can become as WunderDirk, but surely he has hot prospect.......... I would see him well in the Bulls, cause they haven't great external player, and so he would show his great potential........ at nbadraft.net they says he will go at Raptors, I really think it will not the true, Toronto is an awful team! For me he can be the first pick overall, cause Labridge and co. have play very bad in their last games...... and I think that Noah will be a high pick too cause nba has great needs of big men who has great defensive play. I'm wrong?
bigman
04-04-2006, 10:30 AM
I am guessing that english is not your first language, but if it is, sorry.
1) Noah should be the top pick because of his intensity and defensive presence. He is also a decent offensive player. As a Bulls fan he is Tyson Chandler with offense.
2) Bargnani would help the Bulls, Bobcats, Blazers and Warriors. He could play SF on offense and PF on defense. The Bulls could team him with Luol Deng, The Bobcats with Gerald Wallace and Okafor, the Blazers with Miles and the Warriors use him to replace Murphy.
3) The Raptors need a point guard that the new GM likes and they will trade their pick to get one. I could see them going for some like Luke Ritnaur from Seattle or Chris Duhon from the Bulls( Duhon won't cost them the #5 pick though ).
Sorry for the english, but I'm italian........... now you can understand why I'm a big fan of Bargnani....... watch an italian player in the NBA would be great...
I hope that Andrea will be selected by Bulls or Bobcats, so he would show his potential as a offensive player, and in others forum I read that Chicago is very interesting on Bargnani, so I don't know..... at Warriors there are great players in his positions, so I think Golden State is searching a centre (like Noah :) ). After seeing the final of ncaa, I think Noah and Bargnani will battle for having the top pick.
osaurus
04-04-2006, 02:29 PM
Today 08:30 AM
bigman I am guessing that english is not your first language, but if it is, sorry.
1) Noah should be the top pick because of his intensity and defensive presence. He is also a decent offensive player. As a Bulls fan he is Tyson Chandler with offense.
2) Bargnani would help the Bulls, Bobcats, Blazers and Warriors. He could play SF on offense and PF on defense. The Bulls could team him with Luol Deng, The Bobcats with Gerald Wallace and Okafor, the Blazers with Miles and the Warriors use him to replace Murphy.
3) The Raptors need a point guard that the new GM likes and they will trade their pick to get one. I could see them going for some like Luke Ritnaur from Seattle or Chris Duhon from the Bulls( Duhon won't cost them the #5 pick though ).
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they sure need a point guard, but if B.Colangelo decides to trade i would hope he trades for a mid pick on the 1st round plus that proven PG. but who knows what this guys are ever thinking so im just curious to see how this draft will turn out.
jonatansimon
04-04-2006, 03:42 PM
Raptors have a good point guard in Calderon, just need time, but is a great player and he can do the same numbers of duhon or ridnour.
Raptors need Rudy Gay or Aldridge.
BArgnani is a lot better than Noah, Bargnani could do great things in bobcats or chicago....with a good defeder center like okafor or chandler.
Portland need morrison and Atlanta need tyrus.
15/04/2006: Upea Capo d'Orlando - Benetton Treviso 89-91.
Bargnani 19 points with 4/4 on 3 points, in only 30 minutes. What a game by the Mago!
KristianH
04-15-2006, 05:55 PM
Did you watched the game? Stats are very good, but not that sensational since they played againts one of worst teams in the Lega.
Toxicity
04-16-2006, 10:34 AM
Did you watched the game? Stats are very good, but not that sensational since they played againts one of worst teams in the Lega.
It's obvious you are not from Italy... ;)
Italian and Spanish leagues are very tough and sometimes the "worst" teams can defeat the "best" teams at home... Upea at home is dangerous and Benetton usually gives his best at home but struggles as visitor (see its home and away records).
Anyway 19 points on 6/9 shooting coming from the bench, plus the two last decisive free throws (after an important rebound) to assure Benetton win by just 2 points seem great to me...
And i'd say Andrea played his best games so far against strong teams like Panathinaikos, Climamio Bologna, Zalgiris Kaunas and Lottomatica Roma...
KristianH
04-16-2006, 10:48 AM
I checked the boxscore and Upea doesn`t seem to have quality bigmen, especially defensively. However, nice to see him with good numbers after some average games.
I checked the boxscore and Upea doesn`t seem to have quality bigmen, especially defensively. However, nice to see him with good numbers after some average games.
Yeah, Upea isn't a great team but at home it is hard to beat, so 19 points with 4/4 on 3 points are a good performance by Bargnani who played very bad in the last games.
taR h3eLs
04-17-2006, 11:00 AM
I never saw him play but getting compared to Dirk really must mean something!
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I never saw him play but getting compared to Dirk really must mean something!
Is early for compare Bargnani with WunderDirk, but he has some of Nowitski's aspects: the middle-range shoot and the bigman's size, for example. So I don't know if Bargnani will be like Dirk, but I hope it!
Toxicity
04-20-2006, 08:25 PM
Nice all-around game by Andrea against Virtus Bologna:
11 points (4/11 FG, 3 dunks)
10 rebounds
3 blocks
3 steals
6 fouls drawn
21 efficiency rating
29 minutes
He struggled on offense but was a huge factor on defense.
Nice all-around game by Andrea against Virtus Bologna:
11 points (4/11 FG, 3 dunks)
10 rebounds
3 blocks
3 steals
6 fouls drawn
21 efficiency rating
29 minutes
He struggled on offense but was a huge factor on defense.
Yes, a double double is a good performance.......... the Mago is playing better than the last month............. maybe he "see" the draft :)
Toxicity
04-23-2006, 08:04 PM
Tonight against Whirlpool Varese:
22 points (8/17 FG; 5/5 FT)
6 rebounds
1 assist
1 steal
5 fouls drawn
28 minutes
Also go-to-guy of Benetton in 2nd half (14 points scored)... good game by Andrea!
BusBoyIsBack
04-23-2006, 09:17 PM
How will Bargnani be better than Nikoloz Tskitishvili?
Nikoloz was a guy who supposedly very athletic for a big man with very advanced offensive skills for a 7 footer.
What makes Bargnani different?
Toxicity
04-24-2006, 07:26 AM
How will Bargnani be better than Nikoloz Tskitishvili?
Nikoloz was a guy who supposedly very athletic for a big man with very advanced offensive skills for a 7 footer.
What makes Bargnani different?
Skita was a benchwarmer and a garbage-time type of player...
Look at this: http://www.euroleague.net/finalfour06/noticia.jsp?temporada=E05&jornada=23&id=901
Bargnani won the Rising Star Trophy in Euroleague as Best U22!!!
wardjdim
04-24-2006, 09:08 AM
Skita was a benchwarmer and a garbage-time type of player...
Look at this: http://www.euroleague.net/finalfour06/noticia.jsp?temporada=E05&jornada=23&id=901
Bargnani won the Rising Star Trophy in Euroleague as Best U22!!!
Like last year, not a fair call imo. Last year, it was Zissis who should've definitely won this one, but Lorbek did, with Splitter finishing second.
This year, it should've been either Jankunas or Splitter (I'd pick Tiago for his stability all season long and his top-8 fantastic performance), but Bargnani did at the end. Splitter was 2nd, followed by Schortsanitis and Bellineli. Jankunas is not mentioned anywhere. Bad call...
Toxicity
04-24-2006, 10:18 AM
Like last year, not a fair call imo. Last year, it was Zissis who should've definitely won this one, but Lorbek did, with Splitter finishing second.
This year, it should've been either Jankunas or Splitter (I'd pick Tiago for his stability all season long and his top-8 fantastic performance), but Bargnani did at the end. Splitter was 2nd, followed by Schortsanitis and Bellineli. Jankunas is not mentioned anywhere. Bad call...
It's your opinion. I think Tiago Splitter didn't deserve it more than Andrea... look at his stats in top 16: 7.0 ppg and 3.6 rpg in 23 mpg, not that good!
My opinion is that probably Schortsanitis deserved the trophy more than others... also Belinelli and Jankunas did well. But it's a trophy given by Euroleague coaches, not by fans! ;)
KristianH
04-24-2006, 11:38 AM
I also think Bargnani didn`t deserve it, he has inconsistent all season long, this award should be based on production not on potential. Jankunas, Bellineli and Spliiter played better then Andrea.
Toxicity
04-24-2006, 11:50 AM
I also think Bargnani didn`t deserve it, he has inconsistent all season long, this award should be based on production not on potential. Jankunas, Bellineli and Spliiter played better then Andrea.
What are you saying?!?
His overall stats: 10.9 ppg (59.5% from two; 47% from three), 4.1 rpg, 1.3 spg and 0.9 bpg in just 20.9 mpg.
His Top 16 stats: 11.5 ppg, 6.1 rpg and 2.1 spg in 25 mpg.
His stats without the first 3 games (when he was injured): 13.1 ppg and 4.7 rpg.
How are you saying "he has inconsistent all season long"? :???:
KristianH
04-24-2006, 12:14 PM
It is not just the stats, but the way he played also..Still he went 3 scoreless game, 4 times failed to score in double figures, didn`t grab 10+ rebounds in any game. And average of 10.9 ppg and 4.1 rpg doesn`t justify getting award.
Marco Bellineli 13.3 ppg 1.4spg 1.6rpg 1.0 apg
Paulius Jankunas 11.9ppg 6.8rpg
Shortsianitis 10.9ppg 4.9rpg
Splitter 10ppg 4.6 rpg - i think he should get it, because he is among best defenders in Euroleague and plays on possible Euroleague winner.
Toxicity
04-24-2006, 12:48 PM
It is not just the stats, but the way he played also..Still he went 3 scoreless game, 4 times failed to score in double figures, didn`t grab 10+ rebounds in any game. And average of 10.9 ppg and 4.1 rpg doesn`t justify getting award.
Marco Bellineli 13.3 ppg 1.4spg 1.6rpg 1.0 apg
Paulius Jankunas 11.9ppg 6.8rpg
Shortsianitis 10.9ppg 4.9rpg
Splitter 10ppg 4.6 rpg - i think he should get it, because he is among best defenders in Euroleague and plays on possible Euroleague winner.
you're talking about "the way he played" and then you came back to stats (score, double figures, rebounds, etc)... :???:
I don't think you have seen half of his games... anyway i'll try to reply to your points:
2 of 3 scoreless games are 2 of the first 3 when he was injured (moreover in a game he played 30 seconds... C'MON!!!)... after that he totally failed only the game against Cibona (0 points but playing just 12')...
4 times failed to score in double figures: yeah but, except the game against Panathinaikos (decent played), in those games he played just 13 mpg due to fouling troubles...
didn't grab 10+ rebounds: you're right. However in the top 16 he grabbed 9 in two games out of six, not bad considering he's not his speciality. Considering rebounding only Jankunas deserved the trophy...
Finally, as you said, it's not only about stats and that's why Bargnani won the trophy while other players you mentioned (with better stats apparently) not... ;)
bigman
04-24-2006, 12:52 PM
A good debate between Bargnani and Splitter for this award. One thing that may have been a consideration to some is that Bargnani increased his playing time and scoring considerable. He went from a 3.7 point average to 11 and from 3.3 rebounds per game to 4.1. Tiago wnet from 7 to 9.8 ppg and his rebound stayed the same. Tiago did have a great quarterfinal and is a very good defender, but has he topped out. Is his leveling off due to having Scola on his team or is it that he will only be a great defender and not an offensive weapon?
Some voters may have pondered this question.
There's no doubt that Bargnani is better than Splitter: Splitter is only a good defender, while Bargnani is good (not as Splitter) in defence, and he's a great in attack, while Splitter in attack isn't so good......
Genjuro
04-24-2006, 03:53 PM
There's no doubt that Bargnani is better than Splitter: Splitter is only a good defender, while Bargnani is good (not as Splitter) in defence, and he's a great in attack, while Splitter in attack isn't so good......
I'm not sure about that. I thought that Bargnani would be better, and indeed he was in some games, but when you consider globally their performances, I'm not sure who gets the edge.
Splitter is a guy who always helps, and I'm not meaning only the defensive end. He plays very well in the offensive flow of Tau Vitoria. Meanwhile, when Bargnani doesn't score, he sometimes hurts his team more than he helps them. He looks like a looner there, not creating for his teammates, not helping them, just waiting for his chance, and I know it's partially a consecuence of the playing style of Benetton this season, very indiviualistic (I didn't like it at all), but that's what happened. Besides, he's not always good on defense; it depends on the offensive day he has. I hope he gains a bit of consistency during the playoffs in the Italian League.
As for the better youngster in the Euroleague, I think you can make a case for anyone among Bargnani, Splitter, Jankunas, Belinelli and Schortsianitis.
BusBoyIsBack
04-24-2006, 04:56 PM
So as far as Euroleague goes Splitter is the defensive specialist like Pau Gasol and Bargnani is the offensive specialist like Dirk Nowitzki?
lunarblues
04-24-2006, 05:36 PM
Hey! when is his profile going to be updated! i mean it just turned one year old today.
Toxicity
04-24-2006, 05:53 PM
So as far as Euroleague goes Splitter is the defensive specialist like Pau Gasol and Bargnani is the offensive specialist like Dirk Nowitzki?
Pau Gasol is not a defensive specialist at all!!! ;)
mavs128
04-30-2006, 06:07 PM
some great video on Bargnani if some of you haven't gotten the chance to see him
1. 25 point, 10-11 FG game:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=z14brkHotT0&search=bargnani
2. vs. Virtus Bologna (first dunk is awesome):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QuBVnY0rqzQ&search=bargnani
3. Just a nice dunk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=IysnIKmbTME&search=bargnani
4. Acrobatic, ginobili-like put in
http://youtube.com/watch?v=c682_32HNuA&search=bargnani
Jonathan
04-30-2006, 07:05 PM
Hey! when is his profile going to be updated! i mean it just turned one year old today.
we're working on it right now.
Toxicity
05-04-2006, 06:38 PM
Today's game against Cantù (away win by Benetton 82-92):
18 points (7/14 FG - 4/6 3p)
8 rebounds
2 steals
2 assists
1 block
28 minutes
DigDeez
05-09-2006, 08:50 PM
I am glad to heart the defense of Andrea. I do think the Bulls could end up with both Splitter and Bargnani, with a top 3 pick and the 10-12 pick in the draft. Most Bulls fans want Aldrige though.
Well, I'm a true Chicago Bulls fan, I don't have any interest in Aldridge. I'd love to see more of him though, as many say his selfish guards on his Texas team don't pass him the ball very often. He looks very fragile and should stay in college at least another year. These tall guys get there heads pumped up way too much by scouts, when it's clear they could use some more college seasoning.
Although, some posters on this thread have slightly discouraged me about Bargnani, I'm still not wavering in my hopes for the Bulls to draft him with their 1st pick!!!!! He'd be perfect in Coach Scott Skiles offensive/defensive system! Can't wait til the draft lottery and draft!!!
DigDeez
05-09-2006, 09:29 PM
Schortsianitis? If I'm not mistaken, isn't he the draft rights of the Clippers, thus not really a prospect?
KristianH
05-09-2006, 09:35 PM
Yes...he is most poweful player down low in Europe, but is not effective oustide the post and has big troubles guarding inside-outside PFs (poor lateral movement) leading to consistent foul-trouble which prevents him from playing more minutes.
Toxicity
05-14-2006, 05:21 PM
Bargnani today against Montepaschi Siena:
14 points (5/11 FG - 4/6 FT)
4 rebounds
6 steals
5 fouls drawn
27 minutes
wardjdim
05-14-2006, 05:53 PM
Yes...he is most poweful player down low in Europe, but is not effective oustide the post and has big troubles guarding inside-outside PFs (poor lateral movement) leading to consistent foul-trouble which prevents him from playing more minutes.
What really prevents him from playing more minutes is his still not satisfactory fatigue. Despite having lost significant weight, he is still not in the adequate level to consistently offer 30 minutes to his team. However, his lateral movement also needs some work, I agree on that.
Toxicity
05-14-2006, 09:34 PM
Stop talking about Big Sofo in the Bargnani's Thread! ;)
bigman
05-16-2006, 04:42 PM
Bargnani dropped to 5th in the latest DaftExpress Mock. I wonder why?
Maybe because he is still playing or is it because that teams want a PG?
I think the BULLS take him 2nd!
Toxicity
05-16-2006, 09:12 PM
Bargnani dropped to 5th in the latest DaftExpress Mock. I wonder why?
Maybe because he is still playing or is it because that teams want a PG?
I think the BULLS take him 2nd!
I was wondering the same... probably because they need a PG... but you can't pass on a player like Andrea for a (not great in my opinion) PG like Williams...
Anyway, today Bargnani earned the Lega A Basket U22 Award for the best under 22 in Italy after the Rising Star Award for the best U22 in Euroleague. I'd say a very good season for him so far...
KristianH
05-16-2006, 09:31 PM
I think Bargnani is not an option for Hawks...sure he is better prospect then Williams, but adding another perimeter oriented forward doens`t make much sense for them. Marcus is doing great in workouts through.
Bargnani dropped to 5th in the latest DaftExpress Mock. I wonder why?
Maybe because he is still playing or is it because that teams want a PG?
I think the BULLS take him 2nd!
It is still written in the website that team needs have not been taken into account in the top 10. So I presume Bargnani has dropped into 5th because the DraftExpress believes that that's the perception among the teams in the lottery. It also doesn't mean that, were DraftExpress the GM of a team, they wouldn't draft him first.
Toxicity
05-17-2006, 08:09 PM
Playoffs Quarter of Final - Game 1
Benetton Treviso 83 - Armani Milano 76
Andrea Bargnani stats:
20 points (3/6 FG - 2/4 3p - 12/14 FT)
5 rebounds
1 block
2 steals
10 fouls drawn
28 minutes
KristianH
05-18-2006, 07:17 AM
I would like to see more rebounds from Andrea, his rebounding rate is fairly average for someone with his size and athletic ability.
Toxicity
05-18-2006, 11:35 AM
I would like to see more rebounds from Andrea, his rebounding rate is fairly average for someone with his size and athletic ability.
Agree but i think it will come with time. People forget (or don't know) Andrea was a pure SF three years ago and has started to play under the basket with coach Messina in his first year playing for Benetton... so it will take few years to improve the rebounding abilities. Anyway 5.5 rpg in 22.5 mpg are not bad as stats...
KristianH
05-21-2006, 07:34 AM
Just 8 points and 4 rebounds in 32 minutes for Andrea in game 2.
CV3bandwagon
05-21-2006, 12:47 PM
I'm really intrigued by Bargnani and his offensive skill set. As a devot raptor fan I can tell you if Andrea is left on the board Bryan Coloangelo will draft him. In a press conference he was leaning towrds drafting Lamarcus Aldrige or Andrea Bargnani. Also when he returned from a scouting trip to check up on Roko Ukic and Urso Slokar he came back with a very positive impression of Andrea. I think he will be drafted by the Hawks if Billy Knight yet again drafts talent over need he wil end up in Toronto.
In the up-tempo system that BC plans to bring in that is similar to the phoeinix system he can form one of the brightest young froncourts in the leauge, and certainly most talented. I think with his talents he can really thrive in an open offensive system like this that crates plenty of open perimter shots and easy dunks/lay-ups when he runs the floor like he can. Offensively adding another versatile forward is just what we need, with Charlie and Andrea being able to play away from the bucket it really can open the lanes for Bosh and give him plenty of room in the post.
Defensively I'll question the move becasue we still would not have a physcially imposing center who can rebound the ball and play tougher interior defenese. I'd expect Chris Bosh to play the five initially, Andrea the four, and Charlie the three. I'd hope that Andrea can add some bulk so he can move to the five hopefully in the future as he dose have the better frame for weight then CB4. But int he up-tempo system like Phoeinix you don't need a physically imposing center I supose as Boris Diaw started a lot of games for them. I think once Bargnani add weight, or just leave Bosh there we'd do fine there. Also it'd be hard for them to keep big guys against us as there's no way an Eddy Curry or Dwight Howard could match-up against that frontcourt in their defense.
scott0331
05-22-2006, 05:09 AM
Living in Atlanta, I can tell you that I've heard repeatedly how much the Hawks are in love with him. If they have a top 3 pick, they'll take him because Knight is determined to draft "best available" and not on need. So, hopefully they drop to 5, so they will take Marcus Williams and not make the same mistake that they made last year (and to think...they could have had CP3 leading the way).
DigDeez
05-22-2006, 02:48 PM
Bargnani needs to be in Chicago!
I read, maybe here somewhere, how many don't like the way the Benetton coach plays Andrea. Is this the best coach for Andrea's exploits? If so, then maybe we've only begun to see what A.B. can do?
Is there some underlying gripes going on on that Treviso team? Do A.B.'s teammates seem to gather a liking for the next best ever hooper in Italy? His assist numbers aren't ideal at all! But, can this be the systems & his coaches fault? I mean, they say he's a very smart player on and off the court, so why isn't he more of an effective passer?
bigman
05-22-2006, 03:45 PM
Sam Smith from the Chicago Tribune, a dubious source on this, states the Bargnani wants to only play for the Raptors. Benneton Treviso GM is to be Asst. GM in Toronto and the Raptors are to become a EuroLeague style team and get a bunch or Euroleague players. Sam states that Andrea will not come to the NBA unless it is with the fabulous Raptors.
scott0331
05-22-2006, 06:30 PM
Sam Smith from the Chicago Tribune, a dubious source on this, states the Bargnani wants to only play for the Raptors. Benneton Treviso GM is to be Asst. GM in Toronto and the Raptors are to become a EuroLeague style team and get a bunch or Euroleague players. Sam states that Andrea will not come to the NBA unless it is with the fabulous Raptors.
Well, if that's the case, then I think Bargnani is going to be disappointed when he doesn't wind up with the Raptors.
With Bosh and Charlie, there is no reason for them to take him when they have other positions which need to be addressed in the draft.
Raptors have gone big in the past 3 drafts, I don't see them going for 4 in a row. Also, 6 of their 9 drafts, they have taken a PF or C. I just can't see them going 7/10.
CV3bandwagon
05-22-2006, 09:05 PM
Actually Bryan Colangelo has already pretty much said he's draft him if he had the chance. I think because of this he falls to Toronto and we draft him. The Charlie, Bosh and Bargnani combo is a sick froncourt. Bryan drafts basketball players that can help his team not 5 or 1's and thats coming from his mouth.
bigman
05-24-2006, 05:06 PM
Toronto has the #1 pick and it looks like Andrea will be the first Italian selected #1 overall!
CV3bandwagon
05-24-2006, 05:49 PM
Our coach Sam Mitchel and current basketbal operations adivisor Wayne Embry (who was our interim GM and has a huge part in the draft process) left this morning on a plane to Europe to do some more scouting on Bargnani.
Our decesion is either Andrea or Aldrige. I think if the bulls offer us something to move up to get Aldrige like Duhon whihc would be great we draft Andrea at #2. If not we will probably draft Lamarcus becasue it's close between the two on who we will draft and will probably stick with Lamarcus at 1 becasue he's a little tougher down low and a better rebounder and that's where we need the most improvement.
Everybody on the raptors boards want Lamarcus, personally I want either.
KristianH
05-24-2006, 08:43 PM
From everything i read Raptors are gonna take Bargnani, but i think Alrdidge would be better fit.
Chilliwilly
05-24-2006, 09:08 PM
Our coach Sam Mitchel and current basketbal operations adivisor Wayne Embry (who was our interim GM and has a huge part in the draft process) left this morning on a plane to Europe to do some more scouting on Bargnani.
Our decesion is either Andrea or Aldrige. I think if the bulls offer us something to move up to get Aldrige like Duhon whihc would be great we draft Andrea at #2. If not we will probably draft Lamarcus becasue it's close between the two on who we will draft and will probably stick with Lamarcus at 1 becasue he's a little tougher down low and a better rebounder and that's where we need the most improvement.
Everybody on the raptors boards want Lamarcus, personally I want either.
Bulls CANNOT trade Duhon, even if they wanted to, to Toronto until after August 15th, 2006 due to the fact he signed an offer sheet with the Raptors last summer.
osaurus
05-25-2006, 08:37 AM
im sure if they really wanna make somettin happen they certainly can (raptors and Bulls), as a toronto fan i would rather trade our pick and address the need for a pg and still draft Bargnani so bulls could be just the team do deal with.
CV3bandwagon
05-25-2006, 09:26 PM
Bulls CANNOT trade Duhon, even if they wanted to, to Toronto until after August 15th, 2006 due to the fact he signed an offer sheet with the Raptors last summer.
It cna be accpeted on a conditional basis until in a few weeks the 1 year ban on trading him to the raptors is up.
scott0331
05-26-2006, 04:28 PM
I think the Raptors might pass on him now. Bosh has gone public saying he doesn't want him and the Raptors shouldn't take him.
wardjdim
05-26-2006, 04:38 PM
I think the Raptors might pass on him now. Bosh has gone public saying he doesn't want him and the Raptors shouldn't take him.
Is Bosh the team owner?
KristianH
05-26-2006, 05:51 PM
Surely Bosh doesn`t want him, because Bargnani would take some of his shots.
Chilliwilly
05-27-2006, 11:02 AM
Surely Bosh doesn`t want him, because Bargnani would take some of his shots.
Bosh doesn't come off as the player that would be so egotistical to whine when the team improves greatly if it takes SOME of shots away. If BC has Andrea #1 on his board I don't think he'll shy away due to Bosh's comments.
osaurus
05-27-2006, 11:12 AM
there is enough shots for every1, i dont get why ppl would assume that and besides i think BColangelo is going to draft the BPA available regardless of what Bosh thinks, other needs can be filled through FA and trades.
im all in for Barganani but i wish we could get him at a lower pick like the 4th or some.
coachjon
05-27-2006, 10:54 PM
i think he would be a good pickup for the bulls because they have some nice young guards and he would give them a superstar potential post. i think he will live up to the nowitzki hype and not end up like some in the past like Nikoloz Tkisvilli. True he is not a traditional banger post player but he compliments the defensive minded Tyson Chandler very well and they have a big bodied post up post in Michael Sweetney who could come off the bench.
CV3bandwagon
05-29-2006, 07:04 PM
Actually with Mike James gone.........and Bc most likely to go after a more traditional point guard that opens up a lot of shots for other players and Bargnani will get his shots.
Raptors_Bargnani
05-30-2006, 04:56 PM
ur an idiot. Noah isn't in the draft!
Raptors_Bargnani
05-30-2006, 05:55 PM
that was a comment to people on the 6th page or something..it didn't end up there.. anyways, about the guy who said no Bargnani because of Bosh..wrong. Colangelo said that he's going to choose the overall best player in the draft and he's not going to concentrate on their position. Colangelo also said himself that Bargnani is the best player in the draft..anyways with Bargnani on the team, they will have th best offensive young team in the NBA, they'll be really good. i predict playoffs.
Hitster
05-31-2006, 07:46 AM
With Toronto getting the number 1 pick and them wanting Bargnani and him seemingly only wanting to play for them, it has all worked out well for everyone. Toronto take Bargnani, he gets photographed next to Stern with his Raptors cap on and then the rest of the draft proceeds. No other team's picks are affected with them being reluctant to take Bargnani in case he stays with Benetton and thus they have to draft next best player. Bargnani will be a nice fit at Toronto and his game is quite different to that of Bosh's and Charlie V's like say how KG and Dirk's game differs.
ELIEZER
05-31-2006, 01:55 PM
The Raptors Wont Trade The Pick For A Point Guard. Calderon Will Be There Staring Pg, He Have Great Skills, And Can Make 8 Assist Per Game. Villanueva Is 6'11 And Bosh Too, Bosh Is To Skinny No Play Center, And Charlie Can Play Sf Offensivly, But Not In The Defense End Because He Is Slow. Araujo And The Others Centers Are To Slow For The Kind Of Game They Want To Play. Lemarcus Will Not Play Center, Barganani Will Not Play Center, He May Play Sf, But I Dont Know If He Can Defend A Sf In The Nba. What Toronto Needs More Is A Great Shooting Who Can Create His Own Shot, Quick In O And D. Rudi Gay Is Slow To Play Sg In The Nba, Morrison Is Not A Goos Defender. I Think Tyrus Thomas Is The Better And Mor Potential Player, With Just One Year Of College He Have Better Number And More Huge Games Than Lemarcus, He Is Really Quick In The Transition Game, Could Be Faster In The Future To Defend A Sf.
Brandon Roy Is A Good Sg, He Can Defend And Pull The Ball Into The Basket, He Is Really The Best Fit For Toronto, But Everyone Said He Is Not That Good To Be The First Pick And Prefer To Try For Potential Thats Could Be A Big Risk. I Should Draft Roy, Or Try To Traded The Pick To Portland For The 4th Pick And Darius Miles.
If They Draft Lemarcus, Thomas Or Andrea They Will Be Back To The Top 5 Picks Next Year Just Like The Hawks With 7 Sf Great Players.
Raptors_Bargnani
05-31-2006, 04:24 PM
i agree with Hitster
andrejjan
06-02-2006, 01:00 PM
Calderon will have a hard time coming off the bench, let alone be the starting point guard. Inside the raptors organization they have cooled off considerably.
i have only one question about bargani.in benetton's official site he is said to be 2.08tall(6'10) and at eurobasket.com he is said to be 2.09.so in no way he is a 7footer.why then everyone present him as a 7'0?i don't think that with this height we can compare him with nowitski.i understand that we all want a new Dirk but maybe this bad for this kid.
Aketium
06-15-2006, 05:57 PM
i have only one question about bargani.in benetton's official site he is said to be 2.08tall(6'10) and at eurobasket.com he is said to be 2.09.so in no way he is a 7footer.why then everyone present him as a 7'0?i don't think that with this height we can compare him with nowitski.i understand that we all want a new Dirk but maybe this bad for this kid.
Benetton's official site isn't up-to date in fact at the Italian League official site he is said to be 2.11 cm tall, but the latest and official measurements taken 2 weeks ago for NBA and reported today by Ford's article in Espn.com are the following:
Height - 7-0 in socks, 7-1¼ in shoes
Standing reach - 9-2
Weight - 249 pounds
Mike Grand
06-16-2006, 04:38 PM
Toronto should definately look at the possible DYNAMITE frontcourt of CV, Bosh, and Bargnani. All 7 footers, all similar, but different. CV played pretty good at SF last year, but Mike James being on the team limited his chances. Next year the Raps should be a good team.
Toxicity
06-16-2006, 06:12 PM
Bargnani tonight in game 2 of Italian League Finals:
17 points, 7 rebounds, 6 blocks, 3 steals, 2 assists in 32 minutes.
In game 1 he finished with 16 points, 5 rebounds and 1 block... Benetton leads the series 2-0.
But Draftexpress seems to prefer Splitter in some of his articles... :confused:
Those are indeed some very solid stats.
But I wonder how far Bargnani can fall if the Raptors won't take him. Are the Blazers, Bulls, Hawks also that high on him?
Uh-oh.. read the latest article. Here come the undeniable Gasol comparisons. We allready had Nowitzki, but he played well in the post in the last game, so now he's like Pau...
Hahaha..
bigman
06-19-2006, 12:05 PM
Any chance he drops past the Raptors to #2? Of course I am not sure that the Bulls would take him any way. I would bet that if he does drop to #2 that the Suns trade Shawn Marion to get the #2 pick. It is not Roy or Gay they are after, it is Bargnani. Just Speculation on my part based on some current rumors.
CV3bandwagon
06-20-2006, 11:09 AM
Bryan is super high on this kid. I think we draft him at one, unless of course we trade down to three and hopefully still get him there. But I don't want to take any chances on that and just want to grab him #1 so we can have the best young froncourt in the NBA.
emsworth
06-20-2006, 01:34 PM
i don't see why people think bosh can't play center. 6-10 is absolutely fine for a center, why are zo, ben wallace, bill russell, kurt thomas and countless others suddenly undersized? chris is a good rebounder and has a great post game as well as his midrange shot. he can play the 5, with CV at the 4 and Andrea at the 3
bigman
06-20-2006, 04:37 PM
Colangelo wants Bargnani to play center. Ben Wallace and Bill Russell had tree trunk arms. Chris Bosh has twigs.
KristianH
06-20-2006, 04:40 PM
If Zydrunas Iglauskas can play Center, i don`t see a reason why Bargnani couldn`t do the same when he fills out.
i don't see why people think bosh can't play center. 6-10 is absolutely fine for a center, why are zo, ben wallace, bill russell, kurt thomas and countless others suddenly undersized? chris is a good rebounder and has a great post game as well as his midrange shot. he can play the 5, with CV at the 4 and Andrea at the 3
Man... zo and ben wallace are two of the toughest guys in the league. Bosh besides them looks like a starving kid with nothing but bones. And talk about Bill Russel......
Bosh can fill the center spot, but that doesn't mean he will play like a center.
I've never see Bargnani play but I would like to speculate a little on why he may be dropping down a few notches. If I'm correct, he's a 7 footer who plays the power forward position. Well guys, tell me what you want from your power forward.
The answer is rebounding and an inside presence. From what I've read about Bargnani, he spends the game wandering around the perimeter, that's where shooting guards belong, not your power forward.
Loot at Dirk , who is a great player and has consisistently been an outstanding rebounder. However, he raised his game to a new level this year when he stopped relying almost exclusively on his jump shot and diversified by regularly driving to the hoop. When Dirk added that to his repertoire, he became the best power forward in the NBA. Come on, how many forwards can score 25-30 points and also pull down 15 rebounds? Dirk does that regularly, constantly driving and going to the foul line, and that’s why his new approach makes him the best power forward in the world.
The big question for GMs has to be whether or not they think Bargnani has the ability to convert his game to meet the criteria for a power forward just as Dirk did this year. Or are they afraid he’s too soft and will always be a SG masquerading as a power forward.
TRTR
I've never see Bargnani play but I would like to speculate a little on why he may be dropping down a few notches. If I'm correct, he's a 7 footer who plays the power forward position. Well guys, tell me what you want from your power forward.
The answer is rebounding and an inside presence. From what I've read about Bargnani, he spends the game wandering around the perimeter, that's where shooting guards belong, not your power forward.
If you're talking about the style of game usually played in the NBA, then yes, you're right about inside presence. But that's not the only way it is played. If you have a PF who can take out his defender from the paint to the perimeter, he is making up space for the center to operate in the paint, and for the slashers.
Loot at Dirk , who is a great player and has consisistently been an outstanding rebounder. However, he raised his game to a new level this year when he stopped relying almost exclusively on his jump shot and diversified by regularly driving to the hoop. When Dirk added that to his repertoire, he became the best power forward in the NBA. Come on, how many forwards can score 25-30 points and also pull down 15 rebounds? Dirk does that regularly, constantly driving and going to the foul line, and that’s why his new approach makes him the best power forward in the world.
But that doesn't make him an imposing inside presence. It has made Dirk better because you can't always rely on your jump shot (you must have some other tricks to keep your production when your shots aren't falling), and because it makes it harder for the defense, as you never know if he is going to drive against you or shoot the ball.
The big question for GMs has to be whether or not they think Bargnani has the ability to convert his game to meet the criteria for a power forward just as Dirk did this year. Or are they afraid he’s too soft and will always be a SG masquerading as a power forward.
TRTR
For me, it looks like it will be more natural for him to develop a slashing game. The reason I'm saying it is his fondness for that one-handed dunk. And I also think that Bargnani will be a better defensive player than Dirk is now. But Dirk is a excellent at some other things: the ball-handling, rebouding, passing and court-vision. I'm not sure if Bargnani can be just as good (or close) on those things, and more importantly, if he can be the shooter Dirk is.
But then again, with or without a complementary slashing game, neither Dirk nor Bargnani won't be playing like a traditional power forward.
Blobo
06-22-2006, 02:59 PM
Dirk was playing in the 2nd league in Germany when he was drafted, Bargnani is dropping 20points on some of the best teams in Europe at the same age and has atleast some kind of an inside game unlike Dirk when leaving Germany.
Dirk was playing in the 2nd league in Germany when he was drafted, Bargnani is dropping 20points on some of the best teams in Europe at the same age and has atleast some kind of an inside game unlike Dirk when leaving Germany.
To make him justice, Nowitzki could only play in the 2nd league in Germany because he was drafted before - by the german military. But he did lead his team to a promotion to the first league.
emsworth
06-23-2006, 02:52 PM
I think Bargnani may well start of as a combo forward. But he has the shotblocking skills and slashing ability to be a very Dirk-like power forward. What I haven't seen from him is the Dirk midrange game and ability to hit off-balance shots.
I think DX is dead right to give Adam Morrison's best case scenario as a "shorter Dirk Nowitzki". It's Morrison who's the most Dirk-like player in this draft.
I think Aton made some excellent points and I would have to agree with most of them. I was merely expressing my personal opinion on what I want from a power forward and just maybe that may be one reason Bargnani is dropping, if in fact that's true. There may be no truth at all in that rumor.
Talking about Dirk, he gets 12-15 rebounds every game and is usually the leading rebounder on the team and is a true force under the basket. I think that more than makes up for his lack of defense, which Dallas manages to cover up.
If Bargnani can develop a slashing game and concentrates on rebounding a la Dirk, then he could in fact become the best player in this year's draft. But that's why I said the team that drafts him will need patience, it won't happen overnight. That was the one of the big mistakes Detroit made with Darko, they knew they were drafting an 18-year old and didn't give him an opportunity to play nor enough time to develop his game. Starting next year, I think Detroit will regret both of those mistakes big time.
Toxicity
06-24-2006, 09:29 PM
In the video room there are my 3 Mixes on Bargnani. Check them out!
BusBoyIsBack
06-25-2006, 07:44 PM
I couldn't believe Bargnani turned out to be 7'1 250 pounds. What a beast of a man considering how much of an offensive juggernaut he is with that size.
He is big enough to play center and imagine how much of an advantage he'd have over the competition with his guard-like quickness and shooting ability.
shobe348
06-26-2006, 06:43 AM
I'm italian and I've seen Bargani in every Treviso game in this season...
He's tall at least 7-0 (but I think 7-1), he's a good rebounder (don't see stats, at the begin of the season he plays not a lot), the best blocker probably all over the Europe...
Defensivily he can guard every 2 & 3 of the Italian league (and also a lot of 1), but he, at the moment, can't guard 4 & 5...
he is a natural SF and I think his best position on the floor is this one...
i don't think he is so similar to Nowitzky as lot of reports said, he is not the first team offensive option (one of the best in Europe), he is much "North-South" than Nowitzky, he has a terrific first-step but he hasn't the shooting-continuity that Nowitzky has (he's a streak-shooter...)
at the end I've never seen, in Europe, someone stronger than Andrea at 20 (neither Ginobili or Stojakovic or someone else)...
ps I hope he will play as SF and not as tactical center..
emsworth
06-26-2006, 02:15 PM
Talking about Dirk, he gets 12-15 rebounds every game and is usually the leading rebounder on the team and is a true force under the basket. I think that more than makes up for his lack of defense, which Dallas manages to cover up.
Dirk's never averaged over 9.9 rebounds in his career. i assume you're talking about the playoffs, but that's a different matter.
Hello emsworth:
[Dirk's never averaged over 9.9 rebounds in his career. i assume you're talking about the playoffs, but that's a different matter.]
First, averaging 9.9 rebounds per game isn't too shabby. Second, you're absolutely correct, I was talking about the playoffs. When Dallas is playing for all the marbles, it seems as if Dirk raises his game to a new level and usually grabs 12-15 rebounds when it really counts.
AquaRush
07-06-2006, 10:34 AM
Hi everyone!
I see Americans are all very skeptical about Bargnani skills. That's understandable, they consider NCAA to be the best basketball school in the world. It's normal, if you watch college-only basketball on TV and you've never seen a Euroleague match, to see things this way.
Anyway, if you watch Euroleague match between two top-teams, you'll probably begin to reconsider the idea - it's high-class basketball, even for NBA standards. Obviously it's a different kind of game, but it's not that worse. The Olympiads provided a demonstration of that, and also the fact that NBA scouts are constantly monitoring European players is a proof.
As for Bargnani, no one really knows if he's ready for NBA, but just take some time to watch some Euroleague videos and you'll see that his skills are just amazing. Don't think that against a NBA defence he couldn't have the same impact, because when you have the height, the shoot, the moves and the athleticity, you can play in every court.
But what makes me really positive about his career are not his skills. It's his character. Unlike many other young players that sign a contract in NBA and begin to think they're like God came to Earth, he's HUMBLE. And HARD-WORKING. He is always willing to learn something from every coach and every game he plays, and what's also incredible is that he knows exactly in WHAT he should improve. In the (many) post-game interviews he explains what he did wrong and what he should improve in the next game. When the interviewer says he shooted wonderfully, he shrugs and says he could have defended better. That's Bargnani.
Is that something you would expect from a 20 year old?
:)
CV3bandwagon
07-06-2006, 09:50 PM
I've seen a lot of Bargnani tape and scouting video's but I know most of you guys who see him play on a regular basis and know what kind of player he is now much better then I do but I can tell you what Bryan Colangelo has said what he wants from Bargnani.
First of all he will not be startign this year. He will play behind Bosh and Rasho in the froncourt and will be the first big off the bench and play the four either next to Rasho or then we move Bosh to the five next to Bargnani. However Bryan and Sam have both said they want Bargnani to develop more into a five. They want Bargnani to be able to play away from the basket drawing out a big for Bosh and really giving Bosh a lot of room in the paint for Bosh to work with.
I think this would actualy benefit Bargnani's game offensively becuse not many centers would be able to handle Bargnani off the dribble (even Ben Wallace get's exposed on the perimter) nor will they be able to keep up with him in the open court. Defensivley sure he might be giving up a bit right now but the team is ready to wait until he gets stronger and smarter in the post defending.
Fenris-77
07-07-2006, 11:18 PM
First of all he will not be startign this year. He will play behind Bosh and Rasho in the froncourt and will be the first big off the bench and play the four either next to Rasho or then we move Bosh to the five next to Bargnani.
If still in the dark about where Bargnani will see his minutes, even with CV traded. If Rasho plays 30 min at 5, that leaves 15 for bosh at 5 and 25ish at the 4. I suppose that leaves 20-23 minutes for Bargnani at the 4 spot. This doesn't take into account the imminent signing of Jorge Garbajosa either. Admittedly Garbajosa can play 3-4-5, but the fives a stretch for him in the NBA. With PF as Garbajosa's natural position as well the bench looks even more crowded.
I'm going to bet Bargnani sees minutes at 3-4-5 this season, with positions and minutes changing for each opponent. Bargnani is a match-up mightmare and I think Sam Mitchell is wise enough to use that.
Cheers
coachjon
07-08-2006, 10:12 PM
the way i see toronto looking right now as their roster stands
starting/backup
C: nesterovic/sow
PF: bosh/bargnani(wouldn't be suprised if he started eventually though especially if toronto tries small ball like phoenix bosh could move to center)
SF: graham/tucker
SG: peterson/anthony parker(if they do indeed sign him from Euroleague as rumored)
PG: ford/calderon
guys not in top 10 scrubs that don't see a lot of time: barrett, williams, humphries, and garbajosa
emsworth
07-09-2006, 10:43 AM
given sow's injury i think garabajosa and humphries could get a few more minutes.
thechosen21
12-18-2006, 09:53 AM
Hi i'm an italian fan of andrea and I just want to know if you think that the toronto forward will be a star in nba championship.......thank you
CV3bandwagon
12-18-2006, 11:36 AM
I've seen every game Bargnani has ever played in the NBA. I truly belive that he will eventually be a very good player in the NBA, if he's not already. Since he has recieved playing time he has been fantastic and shown many skills that make me belive he's special. All of his skills have translated into the NBA and there's really no need to restate them as we all know what they are. Of course his rebounding needs work but defensively he's been much better then advertised and a far cry from a soft Europen. He actualy played too physical and was getting in foul trouble. He needs to put the ball on the floor much more though as he almost always nets good results when he dose. But to answer your question, yes.
Hitster
12-18-2006, 12:02 PM
Nice to see Bargnani getting his first double-double last night and also an amazing 6 blocks, he is certainly looking a very good NBA player already, given a couple of years he'll improve even more.
thechosen21
12-18-2006, 06:34 PM
Do you think he will resolve his fouls troubles???And is rebound skills?? do you think sam mitchell is the right coach for him???
osaurus
12-18-2006, 07:53 PM
Bargnani is a kid with the will to learn and improve and the NBA is a all different league and its taking a lil time for him to get accustomed to, in fact its hard for any new player to come in the NBA and be a dominant force. Andrea is already showin that he is light years ahead of the schedule, and if u are unable to follow any of his game believe u me, the kid got some cojones.
welcome to the "IL Mago" show my friend
CV3bandwagon
12-23-2006, 12:58 PM
Do you think he will resolve his fouls troubles???And is rebound skills?? do you think sam mitchell is the right coach for him???
His foul troubles haven't been a problem for a while now. He no longer gets in foul trouble much at all. He still sets lousy screens though. His rebounding has improved much better over the past few games and is showing more hustle in pursuing the ball. Well Sam Mitchel helped groom Chris Bosh into an all-star, and made Charlie Villanueva from a suprise pick into runner up ROY. He's not the smartest coach in the world but he demands that his players play hard on and off the court and he instills excellent work ethic into his players.
As well I might mention he hit the game winning shot for the raptors last night against the Trailblazers in ovetime with three secounds left on the clock after sitting on the bench for 20 minutes. Clutch indeed!
Hitster
12-28-2006, 12:36 PM
I'll be interested to see what Bargnani's NBA position ends up being when he cracks the starting 5. At the moment he is in the same position as Charlie V was last season playing from the bench, with Nesterovic as one of the Raptor's Centres and Garbajosa seeing good minutes there along with Bosh when he fit who will obviously be the starting PF. It still remains to be seen if the Raptors see Bargnani as either a C or even a SF. He has the sort of game to play SF and could be a finese C but his natural position may be PF which will cause problems if the Raptor's coach intends to play Bosh there. How do people see it panning out?
coachjon
12-28-2006, 01:42 PM
when bargnani ends up starting it will be interesting because his best position and bosh's are pf, but the raptors knew this going in. i would play bosh at C because he has more of an inside game and rebounds better than bargnani.
CV3bandwagon
12-28-2006, 02:23 PM
It's been said countless times by the raptors brass that they intend to develop him into a center. In reality though these whole position tags mean less and less don't they? It dosen't really matter between Bosh and Bargnani who plays the four and who plays the five. Offensively Bosh will play closer to the basket and Bargnani will play further away and they'll work a deadly high low game. Defensively Bargnani will defened the bigger post player and be the anchor of the defense with his shotblocking ability. As a combination they'll work well together.
The team has been trying to see if Joey Graham can develop into the tough physical wing the team needs next to the four/five of Bosh/Bargnani. They'll need a wing that can be active, rebound the ball, play good defense, get in the lane and take it inside. If Graham continues to flounder they might try to replace him. For some reason however Bryan actually likes Graham and see's him as a Joe Johnson type late-bloomer.
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