Official Thread: Marco Belinelli [Archive]

Charlie_S

02-08-2006, 07:02 AM

He is one of my favorite players, great shooting, good defense, good athleticism. Right now is in my opinion the best SG in Italy.
I don't know if he will declare, but probably he will stay in Italy for another couple of years.

Right now it's very difficult to say, since it will depend on various factors... Obviously, if he doesn't declare this year, it means he will stay in Europe, but even if he does I agree it's still probable that he waits at least another season, to complete his game (at least he should, imho), and then there's his current contract that does not have any NBA escape clause and expires in 2008... For now, all we can do is speculate.

PS - good to see some other italians here :)

Matiz

02-08-2006, 07:14 AM

I think Bellinelli has a lot of work to do unless he wants to become only a role player in NBA... bulking up, defense, adding some more versatility in his game. He is a deadly shooter right now (the game I saw vs. Olimpija, he scored 10 points in the last quarter deciding the game for Fortitudo), athletic with good attitude but apart from that not really conviencing in other parts of the game.

KristianH

02-08-2006, 07:20 AM

I think he will be like Giricek with better 3 point shot and less me-first attitude.

Charlie_S

02-08-2006, 07:28 AM

I think he will be like Giricek with better 3 point shot and less me-first attitude.

That could be a decent comparision, although right now he doesn't have Giricek's ability to create his own shot, while he's a better team player and will be a better defender.

Alexandro

02-08-2006, 03:05 PM

I Think Belinelli is Gianluca Basile with more athleticism.

Jonathan

02-09-2006, 03:41 AM

annoying problem of empty threads has been officialy fixed for now. bumping all old threads to the top now.

Genjuro

02-09-2006, 12:47 PM

Pufforrohk

02-09-2006, 02:25 PM

I would love to see Belinelli consistently slashing, not only to finish himself, but to create for his teammates. I think he can do it, and I'm not sure what's stopping him (strength, team system, comfort, confidence, I don't know).

I think he has the strength and the ability to slash (at least in europe), but his role in Bologna is to shoot from long range not to create from the dribble (there are Becirovic and Green for this work).
Another "problem" is that he has never forced a shot, so we can see what he can really do only at the end of the 24 seconds if he has the ball in his hands.

Charlie_S

02-09-2006, 02:52 PM

I think he has the strength and the ability to slash (at least in europe), but his role in Bologna is to shoot from long range not to create from the dribble (there are Becirovic and Green for this work).

I agree with that, even if it's partly his own fault for being a bit timid, too (maybe he fears Repesa :D). However, I think that next season this it's going to change, as his role in the team will become more and more important and he will be asked to take some different shots, besides his usual 3 pointer with space.

Toxicity

02-10-2006, 08:43 PM

Another "problem" is that he has never forced a shot, so we can see what he can really do only at the end of the 24 seconds if he has the ball in his hands.

Well, at euro championships for junior he forced a lot of shots with his fading away move off the dribble... for sure he can do the same at higher level but shooting % would probably fall down a bit...

The mago

02-12-2006, 08:31 AM

I think he will be like Giricek with better 3 point shot and less me-first attitude.

No way, Giricek has no atleticism, otherwise Belinelli is a first class atlete.
Last season he was a defensive stopper, he can guard point guards, shooting guards and small foward at the euro level.
In this season Marco has grown a lot, becoming one of the better 3-point-shooter in Euroleague, and showing great offensive instincts.
In my opinion is more similar to Ginobili than Giricek. He doesn't have the passing skills Ginobili has, but Marco is better than Manu at this age.
Maybe this year he will declare and then withdraw his name, cause he is born in 1986 and can declare for 2007 and 2008 draft too.

Charlie_S

02-12-2006, 09:35 AM

No way, Giricek has no atleticism, otherwise Belinelli is a first class atlete.
Last season he was a defensive stopper, he can guard point guards, shooting guards and small foward at the euro level.
In this season Marco has grown a lot, becoming one of the better 3-point-shooter in Euroleague, and showing great offensive instincts.
In my opinion is more similar to Ginobili than Giricek. He doesn't have the passing skills Ginobili has, but Marco is better than Manu at this age.
Maybe this year he will declare and then withdraw his name, cause he is born in 1986 and can declare for 2007 and 2008 draft too.

Right now, I doubt it. It's not the passing skills, it's just that Ginobili's main offensive weapon is his slashing, while Belinelli rarely takes it to the hoop. They're way different. I agree that Belinelli has the potential to be a very good slasher, but before deserving a Ginobili comparision you gotta show me something more. Let's wait a year or so, and then we'll know.
As for him being better than Manu at his age, I don't know, since the Argentinian came in Europe just in 1998 (when he was 21). It can be, but it doesn't necessarily mean that Belinelli will be better than him.

Ðe¢k

02-16-2006, 07:25 AM

Belinelli have the big mental attitude for playing in nba, same ginobili.

Qman

02-24-2006, 02:51 AM

As for ragging on Giricek's athletism, as a Utah fan that wants a lot more from him he can be a good athlete when he wants to be. He plays great defense on occasion. But most the time he just seems disinterested. Also this season he has had achillies problems. Everyone once in a while he will take it strong to the hoop and dunk it. I think he gets hurt when he does it though.

11player

03-02-2006, 03:53 PM

Charlie_S

03-02-2006, 09:13 PM

Back to Bellineli,
What are the chances of him declaring this year? plus, is there any chance of him staying in this year's draft?
The kid looks like a real deal, so young and already a big player in Euroleague.

Right now it's difficult to say. His current contract expires in 2008 and has no buyout clauses, so it could limit his draft potential this year (even though he's reported to be negotiating another contract with Climamio). All in all, I think that he'll be in 2007 draft, but it's impossible to know for sure.

Toxicity

03-03-2006, 11:00 AM

Right now it's difficult to say. His current contract expires in 2008 and has no buyout clauses, so it could limit his draft potential this year (even though he's reported to be negotiating another contract with Climamio). All in all, I think that he'll be in 2007 draft, but it's impossible to know for sure.

I agree with Charlie. Belinelli will likely enter 2007 draft rather than 2006...

However i don't think his contract will be a huge problem...

Toxicity

03-05-2006, 06:32 PM

Total game today against Carpisa Napoli by Marco Belinelli:

25 points (9/17 FG, 4/4 FT), 5 rebounds, 5 assists and 5 steals in 37'! He filled all his stats line... :eek:

bigman

04-07-2006, 01:49 PM

Why not enter the draft now? He is only making 28K!! He could be in the lottery and get millions. How would he get out of his current contract? Could he buyout the contract?

I would love to have him in Bulls uni!!

11player

04-07-2006, 06:34 PM

I was wondering, considering Belinelli's contract runs out in 2008, isn't it Climamio's best interest to fix a high but viable buyout for him now than risking watching him walk away for nothing in 2008?

I mean, if he doesn't stay in this year's draft he will have until the 2008 draft to come to NBA being a 1986-born prospect. The 2007 draft may be stronger than this one which could cause him to slip and not have enough money to pay a high buyout. That would force Climamio to lower the buyout to get compensation or watch him walk free in the following year.

To me, Climamio should fix an interesting buyout and take a chance at having Belinelli selected high and paying a good compensation for leaving.

Charlie_S

04-07-2006, 08:10 PM

Reportedly, Belinelli's probably going to negotiate a new contract (maybe extending it to 2009) with Climamio next summer, significantly improving from his ridiculous current one. They should include a NBA escape clause with a definite buyout, but this seems to be the main issue with Climamio. They would like to keep him at least a couple more seasons in Europe, and make him one of the leaders (if not THE star) in their future team, so they could be reluctant to give him a buyout clause...
Bottom line, the situation it's still very unclear and almost everything can happen (remember that in Italy the League Finals end in June, so there's still so much to do for him and Climamio this season), but i feel it's unlikely that he even declares for this year's draft, and then it will all depend on how his contract negotiations with Climamio go on. I still think that, either he's going to enter 2007 or 2008 draft, he's eventually going to come to the US not before the 2008/09 season. But this is just speculation.

About his game, he's probably already good enough to become a nice outside shooting specialist in the NBA after a few months of bench and body strenghtening, but it would be too risky, and however (even if all went good for him in the NBA) I think that at least another year as a definite star in a good Euroleague team would be better for his development than a year contributing as a mere specialist in an NBA team.

maverick88

05-07-2006, 06:45 PM

a video of Marco Belinelli against Maccabi Tel Aviv(Euroleague Champs):
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3848773745058943725&q=marco+belinelli

planaria

05-08-2006, 03:21 PM

A single correction. Actually CSKA is the actual Euroleague Champs.

maverick88

05-08-2006, 05:20 PM

When the Climamio Bologna has played the game of the video the Maccabi Tel Aviv was Euroleague Champs

xtf

05-08-2006, 07:39 PM

I have posted that video already in the Video Room ;-)

superpigna

06-14-2006, 08:08 AM

hi i'm an new user and i was born and live in italian.... i have look more video of belinelli and this are the link:

http://195.56.77.208/top5video/

http://www.marcobelinelli.it/

coachjon

07-12-2006, 11:56 PM

i have seen belinilli will enter the 2007 draft and go anywhere from the late lottery to mid first. i don't think he can contribute at a high level in the nba and will become a bust.

he isn't physically ready for the nba, he won't be able to slash at the nba level either. everyone had him projected as a taller PG he won't be able to play the PG at the NBA level. if the team that does indeed draft him tries him at PG his chances are hurt even more IE Zoran Plannic, Jiri Welsch and Sasha Vujicic. he also has focus issues.

his strengths in his size, athletcism, strength are good for europe but would be average to below average in the nba. if he plays SG then he has good handles and passing ability. his biggest strength that would translate over to the nba right away is his outside shooting. he is a good defender on the european level but again his size (trying to guard NBA SG'S) athleticism and strength will hurt him defensively in the nba. he is very coachable which is a plus. and he is clutch in a very high league.

overall he has good enough skills to be a good NBA player it just depends on two things if he translates those skills into a good nba career. if he can physically adjust to the NBA game and if his team tries him as a taller PG (will hurt him) or a SG.

jungleman

07-21-2006, 04:11 PM

there are rumours circulating that he had a promise from philadelphia in the first round of 2006 nba draft
anyway philadelphia assure him to take him in the first round next year if oden is out of reach

raps_aviator

07-31-2006, 02:52 PM

Comparison
Marco Bellineli- Morris Peterson

Most of the European players don't have a good vertical leap. But according to the scouting reports Marco has hops. He usually does tip-offs too.

Could someone find out what's his vertical leap??? Please

jill

08-21-2006, 04:53 PM

Well,I think that Belinelli is really a fantastic player.The last two matches against China and Slovenia proved that the coach trusts Belinelli a lot,as he stayed almost the whole game in.He pointed 26 points which was very good for the whole team and very important for the winnning ,too.
For me,this is a guy who has just gone on the scene of basketball and will stay there a lot of time-indeed,his career begins now and we ,his fans,hope that he will manage to reach NBA,in fact,with that tempo,there is no doubt about it!
good luck,Belinelli;)!

KristianH

08-21-2006, 06:59 PM

I think he will be late first round pick and will have solid NBA career because unlike Welsch, Planinic, Vujacic and company he has one particular skill he can bring off the bench - outside shooting. His shot is really great and Peterson seems like fine comparasion, altrough i think he will be more like Giricek. Lil bit more versatile.

coachjon

08-22-2006, 02:12 AM

after seeing belinelli play on tv recently i have a higher opinion on him now. before when i had commented on him i thought he would be another euro bust if NBA teams thought of him as a taller PG. i think he will come over to the NBA as a SG and if he reaches his full potential could end up being a franchise type player for a weaker NBA team or a top 2 player on a stronger team. he should go in the late lottery to mid first round in 2007.

he is a leader, scorer (3pt, midrange game, and slash), good ball handling, good passer, good one on one player (key for wings in NBA), athletic, quick, good basketball IQ, intense, potential. his PG abilities with his scoring abilities make him a very versatile wing player.

needs to get stronger (add weight), needs to get more consistent/gain more experience at the higher level.

Zalgirinis

08-22-2006, 04:18 AM

needs to get stronger (add weight), needs to get more consistent/gain more experience at the higher level.

But the most important thing he needs is to get to a good situation in NBA, because hes still a white guard from Europe. Watching Italy vs Slovenia, he reminded me young Macijauskas before NBA with quick realease and great shooting from the screens. Of course Belinelli is taller and more athletic NBA-wise making him more "sexy", but still I fear the steorotype NBA coaches has about European guards...

wombat6802

08-23-2006, 09:35 AM

Alright, I so i think today was a decent showing, to say the least, against NBA competition. He has a great shot and a very quick release. His range is very good, but his shot selection was a little weak when he was the sole option on the floor. He runs the floor well and played decent defense, but where he seperates himself from one dimensional players like Macjauskas (who i cannot believe gets as much hype as he does: give me Redick any day), has shown the ability to be a slasher. He drives the lane pretty well and has a good offensive awareness. Like the rest of the Italian team, he is a pretty skilled rebounder and this only boosts his potential. He is only 20 and he, to quote Fran Fraschilla, already looks like a top college sophomore. Unlike other Euro shooting guards, Belinelli showed that he was big time (25 points, 4 3's) against good competition. I think that he has a future in the league and is worth a future first round pick to a team that needs a pure shooting guard and will be willing to give him minutes.

ecuhus

05-18-2007, 10:42 AM

coachjon

05-18-2007, 11:43 AM

i think the 3 you mentioned as being frail are seen to have more potential than the 3 with NBA ready bodies why that's why they are projected as better prospects because it is thought if they add mass to their bodies they will be the better players.

i would say belinelli is considered the 3rd SG prospect in this draft after Nick Young and Rudy Fernandez.

11player

05-18-2007, 12:31 PM

Can someone tell me why he's the #1-rated SG this year? Or, at least, he's widely seen as the 1st SG to be taken in the draft.

His Italian league profile shows him at 196cm, which is 6'4.5", NOT 6'6 where he's listed on some sites. Also, he's about 192lbs and only shot 33% from the int'l 3-point line, which is like 21 feet I think (someone back me up on the distance).

If he's shaky from 21ft, what makes people think he'll be a Ray Allen-type shooter from NBA range? His low 3pt% and high overall % seem to suggest more of a mid-range pest like Deshawn Stevenson or Larry Hughes, maybe even Richard Hamilton. With so many NBA-ready bodies at the SG position in this draft (namely, Brandon Rush, Morris Almond and Derrick Byars), I wonder why these waifs (Fernandez, Belinelli, even Williams) are rated much higher.

Ecuhus, you got his size a little wrong, he's 6'5.25(inch==2,54cm;foot=30,48cm), but that is probably his barefoot size, so he is 6'6 in shoes.
You got his wheight right, 192lbs, which is not concearning as his ideal should be about 10lbs more.

He's had a disappoiting season, IMO, but still was productive and showed enough signs of his great potential.

This kid loves to shoot from the outside, his percentage is not good because he forces too many shots, but as he gets more controlled it will go up.
He will not have problems shooting the NBA 3, which is a little more than 3 feet above he Fiba 3pt line(6.25 m), pretty close to the 21ft you said.

Toxicity

06-16-2007, 01:02 PM

Hi guys, like i did last year with the mixes trilogy on Andrea Bargnani (The Magician), i try it again with this long mix on Marco Belinelli, the italian sharpshooter.

It may be too long (7'51") for a standard mix but i prefer to show all the stuff i have on him with just 2 weeks to the NBA draft. I chose the song just because it fits well (lenght wise)... ;)

Youtube version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNxZ4_O8R8M

Downloading version:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/0wll4j
Size: 56 MB
Format: Windows Media 9

Enjoy!!!