Official Thread: J.J. Redick

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J.J. Redick, SG/SF
21 years old 6'4" 200 lbs.
Duke, Senior

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[Jonathan]

updated/completed.

[Chilliwilly]

I think once again Redick is worn down from all the off the ball movement and the rigors of a tough ACC schedule. I don't expect him to put up 30 points a game in the NCAA tournament due to the strenuous season. With this in mind Redick is still a wonderful shooter in an NBA seemingly devoid of excellent perimeter shooters( 4-5 come to mind) and he'll still be an excellent 3rd option on most teams.

[Force]

3rd option seems to be a high order.

Kyle Korver has more height and length and he still has trouble scoring. 3rd scorers should be able to create their shot. Redick can't do that, but he can move without the ball well.

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[Jonathan]

I don't think there is any comparison whatsoever between the player Redick is in college and Korver at the same point in their careers.

[Casual]

I think it's a good thing for him to be deferring to Shelden Williams more as the season reaches an end, even if it does seem forced. He sometimes takes too many contested jump shots (at least they look contested to me, to J.J. they might be what everybody else thinks is wide open), so swinging the ball back out or down low more often isn't going to hurt anybody.

[asian]

good job on the profile of JJ, Jonathan Givony.

[Casual]

I think these last few games could hurt JJ's draft stock. Not the fact that he's tired or his shot is off, but the fact that he keeps trying to shoot himself out of his funk. Adam Morrison was able to rebound from a couple bad games by continuously driving to the hoop, which is what you need to if you're not feeling it from outside. Obviously, he's been good more than he's been bad, but if he doesn't show the ability to make something happen when he can't shoot that's going to make teams think he can't be anything more than a one-dimensional role player.

[Force]

Wait.

Because he doesn't drive it makes the scouts think he won't be able to drive it against NBA level talent? Or that he might be a one trick horse? It is just proving what scouts have already thought.

Morrison has the length and the skill set to score in the NBA. Moves off the ball just as well as Redick, has length and dribble drive skills because of length to score. Also can post up and shot the fadeaway.

[Qman]

I am starting to believe that Redick will be just fine on team with a system. He probably can't just break players down on his own, but with an advantage of coming off a screen he should be just fine. The question is defensively if he can be average.

[Force]

I'm not sure Redick's defense can be average.

At this point, I have a hard time seeing which position he would be guarding. Would get burned by elite 1's, or even second tier starters. Most 2's would be able to have a step on him and be able to shoot over him.

He might be a guy that can deny a player the ball and force him into a bad spot, like Deron Williams does, but he doesn't have the athletism of Deron, or length.

Redick could fit Denver. They have the swatters with Martin and Camby and the creaters to allow him to get off screens and shoot.

[TonyM]

Stop acting like people in the NBA play good defense anyway.

[Force]

So it's ok for Redick to get burned by NBA shooting guards for 40+ if he can drop 18 on three's?

NBA players don't always look to shut a player down. But look at teams that are successful, good individual man defenders at every position. And look at those who are just average or have good regular season records, hole's at defense.

At least have the ability to contain a player when it really matters.

[Casual]

Why is he going to get burned by NBA guards every night? He's been guarding small forwards in college the last three years and holds his own most of the time.

[Force]

Because NBA guards are much quicker than college small fowards.

A lot quicker. See how he had to lose 10 pounds to be quick enough to stay with some college off guards? Not a good sign at all.

[Casual]

He had to lose ten pounds because he gained too much weight in his sophmore year trying to bulk up. It's not like he's naturally chubby.

[Force]

You think he gained weight because he felt like he wanted to even further be able to shut down guards?

No.

He gained weight to guard college small fowards. Didn't work, and came back to original weight to guard some of the two guards in college.

Defense will be a problem in the NBA. Period.

[Chilliwilly]

You think he gained weight because he felt like he wanted to even further be able to shut down guards?

No.

He gained weight to guard college small fowards. Didn't work, and came back to original weight to guard some of the two guards in college.

Defense will be a problem in the NBA. Period.

Agreed 100%

[Poppy]

Reddick's draft stock took a huge hit tonight. An awful performance at the worst time. All his flaws have been exposed.

[The Toilet]

This picture will sum it up

http://www.lewiston.k12.id.us/Kidsactivitiesunlimited/images/choking.JPG

Scout with glasses- JJ Redick
Other scout- LSU

Redick is an NBA role player nothing more, ESPN better shutup with their Redd/Nash comparisons.

[Force]

Well this just shows the problem I had with Redick.

It isn't the athletic defender that may give up problems, but it is a combo of that and athletic big men that can swat.

[njdukie]

I just wanted to thank JJ and the rest of the Duke men's basketball team for a job well done. I've been a fan for over 20 years, and will continue to be a fan. I wish the outcome was different, but I still love my blue devils. Thanks again JJ for all of your hard work, your classy attitude, and your performances on the court!! Good luck with your basketball career, I wish you the best of everything.

[wardjdim]

I just wanted to thank JJ and the rest of the Duke men's basketball team for a job well done. I've been a fan for over 20 years, and will continue to be a fan. I wish the outcome was different, but I still love my blue devils. Thanks again JJ for all of your hard work, your classy attitude, and your performances on the court!! Good luck with your basketball career, I wish you the best of everything.
I love them too, but they were not good enough yesterday. The offensive game was too much dependant on Reddick, so much that LSU didnt even have to change their defensive plans. Even Williams wasnt getting too many balls, but most of his baskets were coming from offensive boards/second chances.
U gotta love the team, yes, but Coach K read the game wrongly and that cost us. Now, we are stuck with McRoberts as a potentially go-to guy next year, but how good and dominant can he be, when he is not stable and lacks self confidence in most of his (well established) offensive moves?

[Force]

Thanks again JJ for all of your hard work, your classy attitude, and your performances on the court!!
Like the guys work ethic and clutchness, but classy attitude?

More like arrogant prick.

[J_Ray]

I think J.J. Redick would succeed in a system like Utah where he can come off screens getting open jumpers. Also he wouldn't have to be the go to man, he can roam and get the occasional 3. His D wouldn't hurt him either, Giricek plays in Utah and he plays D like Redick. Wanna know why it won't hurt him though, AK-47 always bailing out Jazz players. If Utah can get some shooters in this year's draft, watchout! Utah Jazz 2007 will be dangerous!

[Jonathan]

Jazz love him, so do the Rockets I hear.

[TonyM]

You think he gained weight because he felt like he wanted to even further be able to shut down guards?

No.

He gained weight to guard college small fowards. Didn't work, and came back to original weight to guard some of the two guards in college.

Defense will be a problem in the NBA. Period.

This post shows your sheer ignorance about the subject. He gained weight cause he ate like a pig and drank like a fish his first year and half of college. That's documented in multiple articles (ESPN.com, Dailypress.com, etc.)

Stop acting like he'll be guarding Kobe Bryant eery night. You really think his coach is gonna be stupid enough to stick him on someone heads and shoulders above him athletically. Now, I would be stupid to say or think he has the defensive ability to stop most guys in the NBA, but it's not like the kid has lead feet.

Stop hating just for the sake of it, and I'll stop drooling all over him.

[TonyM]

Redick is an NBA role player nothing more, ESPN better shutup with their Redd/Nash comparisons.

No way he was compared to those two. Who, in their right mind, would compare him to those two guys?

[phillyordutch]

does anyone not realize that he averaged 27 pts a game? lol and u dont think he will get more open looks in the nba your are crazy, better defense is played in college, if peja can do it, jj can do it, jj is not as big, but a bit quicker and a better defender than peja and peja was an all star, besides jj's defense wont have to matter if the small foward has good help defense ala ron artest, andre kirelinko, bruce bowwn...

[phillyordutch]

if jj was playing for the heat right now, i would pick them to win the nba finals, put wade at small foward, his is good enough to cover his butt, could u imagine, wade, shaq and jj on the same team, or even yao, mcgrady and jj would sound even better cuz u know yao and mcgrady are going to draw double teams, u cant tell me jj could average 16 or 17 pts per game, just give it up, he is THE BEST 3 POINT SHOOTER OF ALL TIME, that doesnt happen by accident

[phillyordutch]

mcroberts doesnt lack confidence at all, everytime he gets the ball he wants to throw it down, but yes he can use some waxing but hes only a freshman

[diabloboy69696]

JJ is only going to be like Kerr only effective if there is a King James or Kobe on the team that way defense collapses on them and leave JJ on the perimeter open he will lack the skill to be a superstar in the NBA he has no size to be a 2 gaurd nor the speed he will have trouble defending the upper echelon of the NBA 2 gaurds can anyone say Carter Hamilton Johnson KOBE

[11player]

Reddick should look up to Hornacek in the NBA. That's his best chance to be sucessfull. In fact, there's a lot of similarities between them already.

[kirk14]

Redick needs to work on his ballhandling skills if he is ever going to even approach Jeff Hornacek. Hornacek played a lot of point in his career and could at least bring the ball up the floor under pressure. No way Reddick can do that now.

[phillyordutch]

whos to say that redick cant improve his ball handling skills, he doesnt have to diss the ball out like a point guard would but the nba will be able to help his dribble so he could walk it down the court and call plays. for instance, lebron is not a point guard but he is a small foward, but he is a point guard in a small fowards body, not comparing JJ to lebron at all of course:that would be ridiculous. eric snow or damon jones is their point guard traditionally but lebron dishes the ball the best.

[nikehooper4]

I don't see how someone can think a player who averaged 26 points a game, including 40 point games against top competition in college basketball won't produce on the pro level. Redick is going to be a star and scouts are fools not to think so.

[phillyordutch]

http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/3701/zz101sj.jpg#14 Utah Jazz - J.J. Redick
SG, 6-4, 190 lbs., Duke
PPG: 26.8, RPG: 2.6, APG: 2.0
The Jazz are in desperate need of perimeter shooting and there isn't anyone better at long range gunning than Mr. Redick baby! He's the perfect player for Sloan's offense because the Jazz run a lot of pick and roll, and set back door picks. J.J. Redick can thrive in Utah because he can run his man into double picks and free up the space he needs to get his shot off. Utah doesn't really have that one player who can take over on offense, but with Redick they will.

Redick has the competitive spirit Sloan looks for in his players. Redick really struggled against an athletic defender when Duke faced LSU, but in the NBA he's not going to see anything close to the defensive attention he saw in college. Especially not on Utah, because of all the talent the team has when the starting 5 is healthy. Redick can play off the double teams Boozer draws in the post, or slide along the baseline when AK47 makes a move to the basket for the drive and kick. I can see Redick having the same role Jeff Hornacek played in the early and mid 90
s for Sloan's Jazz team.

[Force]

I don't see how someone can think a player who averaged 26 points a game, including 40 point games against top competition in college basketball won't produce on the pro level. Redick is going to be a star and scouts are fools not to think so.
Uh...

Because the whole system was ran around Redick's outside shooting.

Think a NBA team will run constent back screens and force feed Redick? See how he struggled against Temple, an athletic guy? He faces that every game in the NBA, as well as being forced to create his shot.

Stats don't translate over. Skills and athletism do. Redick is missing on key components of it.

whos to say that redick cant improve his ball handling skills, he doesnt have to diss the ball out like a point guard would but the nba will be able to help his dribble so he could walk it down the court and call plays. for instance, lebron is not a point guard but he is a small foward, but he is a point guard in a small fowards body, not comparing JJ to lebron at all of course:that would be ridiculous. eric snow or damon jones is their point guard traditionally but lebron dishes the ball the best.
Because ball handling is the hardest thing to improve on.

Jordan wasn't a great ballhandler after all those years of work. Pippen was better. Think McCants developed handles? Or guys like Stevenson?

As for Lebron, he has the athletism to break down a trap and a press, as well as ability to drive and finish, or drive and kick.

Redick? Can't do that. I seen him dribble of his leg before against average athletes. Now, facing shooting guards with 7 foot wingspans? Please. No way he can bring the ball up.

[kirk14]

I think the JJ Redick boosters need to unite with the Keydren Clark fan club.
Yes, they were both great college players, but have huge holes in their games that will prevent success in the NBA.

[choochootrain]

Trajan Langdon II.

What system in the NBA is there for a guy like him? Who wants a role player at best who is a defensive liability.

[scott0331]

To be successful at the next level, I think he almost has to go to a playoff team. Where he can come off the bench, feel little to know pressure and will get some open opportunities to make shots. In an ideal world for him, he plays along Shaq, but I don't think the Heat can swing a trade which would land them a lotto pick to pick up JJ. If he doesn't end up on a playoff level team, they won't have enough players who can put up points and move the ball, so JJ won't be able to do what he does best and that's shoot, then shoot, then shoot some more.

[Force]

Best case scenario for him is Houston.

Yao can pass out of the high post, and bring in the double team. McGrady can create as well as anybody. Redick can thrive having two players create for him, as well as Yao and McGrady having someone space out for them.

However, burning the 14th pick for Redick?

Nah.

I'd rather have Foye if avalible, or Brewer.

I can imagine Redick in Phoenix. Doesn't run well, but when he does get down there, imagine Nash creating for him. Phoenix preaches ball movement and three point shooting, as well as slashing for creating the three. While Redick doesn't slash and create, he can benefit off catch and shoot. And unlike Barbosa or Marion or Bell, he can hit a shot contested. Not to mention he doesn't have to worry about man defense.

[Qman]

No offense to Redick but that team is based on team speed. And he is significantly slower then their other options.

[Force]

Team speed is needed to run and finish layups.

He'd do alright catching and shooting in perimeter since after Nash drives, he brings a crowd and dishes. Now, Redick may not be the man there, or open, but you can bet he would be open in the secound drive and kick. Which is as dangerous in the Suns offense.

And he has a headstart since he does not go to the paint on offense.

[kirk14]

Didn't Phoenix already have Casey Jacobson a few years ago?

[hagrin]

Think a NBA team will run constent back screens and force feed Redick? See how he struggled against Temple, an athletic guy?

Edit: Corrected - misread "Temple" as the team, not the player.

I signed up just to comment on this.

The LSU strategy which was to pop the big man out (Davis/Thomas) out on the pick and roll and force Redick backwards when dribbling out at the three point arc and then having his long, athletic defender work under screens as opposed to popping out over them is the key to defending Redick and shutting him down in the NBA.

However, you have to ask yourself - do many 2s in this league have the commitment on defense to run after Redick for 25-30 minutes a game? I think that answer is not on most regular season game nights. Come playoff time, much like in the tournament, you'll watch Redick disappear as the defensive intensity gets turned up.

Redick took every team's best shot this year, was double teamed out on the perimeter in most games, played against a lot of athletic defenders and still scored 26 a game while shooting a very high percentage (he wasn't throwing up 30 shots a game to score 27 points like many NBA stars). He's going to be an effective role player on a very good team and probably a bust on a poor team with no inside presence.

I actually question his mental toughness - I could be wrong, but I heard reports that he's "down" about the NBA workout grind and misses Duke. He sounds like the high school kid that is home sick now that he's away at college. I could see him only playing a few years and then leaving to pursue other interests.

[Tito]

I signed up just to comment on this.

How many teams in the NBA run a Box and One? This was easily the one comment that discreditted everything else you wrote. Instead, you should have mentioned the LSU strategy which was to pop the big man out (Davis/Thomas) out on the pick and roll and force Redick backwards when dribbling out at the three point arc and then having his long, athletic defender work under screens as opposed to popping out over them. This is the key to defending Redick and shutting him down in the NBA.

However, you have to ask yourself - do many 2s in this league have the commitment on defense to run after Redick for 25-30 minutes a game? I think that answer is not on most regular season game nights. Come playoff time, much like in the tournament, you'll watch Redick disappear as the defensive intensity gets turned up.

Redick took every team's best shot this year, was double teamed out on the perimeter in most games, played against a lot of athletic defenders and still scored 26 a game while shooting a very high percentage (he wasn't throwing up 30 shots a game to score 27 points like many NBA stars). He's going to be an effective role player on a very good team and probably a bust on a poor team with no inside presence.

I actually question his mental toughness - I could be wrong, but I heard reports that he's "down" about the NBA workout grind and misses Duke. He sounds like the high school kid that is home sick now that he's away at college. I could see him only playing a few years and then leaving to pursue other interests.

Good points. Your remarks concerning the workouts are true. He started a fire storm of criticism with several teams by NOT working out in a one-on-one situation and elected to shoot undefended three's on an open net. One scout saying that if he wanted to watch Redick shoot three's he could have save time by staying home and watching his game film. Not a good career move by Redick.

[coachjon]

i think redick will be a good nba player i am very high on him i think he is deserving to go in the lottery where most have him projected between 11-16. i have utah taking him in my mock at 14 could jerry sloan have found a next generation jeff hornacek before he hangs it up i mean he has been searching for the next stockton/malone which he has yet to find. but in redick i think he may have hit it on the nail for a hornaceck clone and hornacek was a good nba player

[jazzpoint]

It may surprise many but Redick is not the ideal pick for Utah. I'd actually be disagreeing with some Jazz fans here but here's my take...

If you look at our draft history (and I won't fault you if you don't), we've always tried to find an athletic SG prospect: DeShawn Stevenson (3.5-year experiment didn't pan out), Pavlovic (athletic Euro kid, good shooting form but poor work ethic, lost in Charlotte expansion pool), Kirk Snyder (poor shooter, asked to be traded). Note we've also liked some prototypical SG size there.

Post-Hornacek/Stockton&Malone, who was Sloan's fave, most played SG? Raja Bell. Reasonably athletic, good defense, tough as nails, made open shots.

Redick is too one-dimensional. Ok, he's a shooter we could use but he's more like a more famous Kerr than anything. The Jazz isn't built for one-dimensional shooters. We tried with Giricek but his poor defense gets him straight to Sloan's doghouse, next Horny label and all.

Redick is not a Hornacek. Horny wasn't just about shooting. He had other attributes *as strong* as his near-50% FG (both 2/3) and 90% FT. With his ball-handling and passing, he was almost like a 2nd PG alongside Stockton. And he was tough. In the two finals with the Bulls, while Russell chased Jordan, it was Hornacek who guarded Pippen, for those here who don't remember. Alas, his knees gave in toward the end of his career.

That's why Kevin O'Connor, our GM, once blurted out before the lottery why Roy, top SG prospect w/ with all-around skills, would be great in the slimmest of chances we won a top 3 pick. As expected we're stuck at 14 and can't get Roy (without trading one of our core pieces). Our GM has also said we'd like players who can play on both ends of the court.

I think Redick goes ahead of our 14 but if he's there, and he's the best player available, yeah ok 50-50 chance, but I wouldn't be shocked if we actually pass on him.

[coachjon]

Good analysis i like it. all those other sg's which i remember all of them though don't remind me of redick at all so you can't say redick will fail. i also agree though that redick may not be the passer or ball hadler that hornacek was i was just throwing the comparison out generically with me seeing him going to the jazz and all. the reason i had them taking redick was he was best at 14 on my draft board i think the jazz need help upfront more than anything but will go for that in the second round maybe getting a slipping james augustine and ryan hollins? just a thought

[Qman]

It may surprise many but Redick is not the ideal pick for Utah. I'd actually be disagreeing with some Jazz fans here but here's my take...

If you look at our draft history (and I won't fault you if you don't), we've always tried to find an athletic SG prospect: DeShawn Stevenson (3.5-year experiment didn't pan out), Pavlovic (athletic Euro kid, good shooting form but poor work ethic, lost in Charlotte expansion pool), Kirk Snyder (poor shooter, asked to be traded). Note we've also liked some prototypical SG size there.

Post-Hornacek/Stockton&Malone, who was Sloan's fave, most played SG? Raja Bell. Reasonably athletic, good defense, tough as nails, made open shots.

Redick is too one-dimensional. Ok, he's a shooter we could use but he's more like a more famous Kerr than anything. The Jazz isn't built for one-dimensional shooters. We tried with Giricek but his poor defense gets him straight to Sloan's doghouse, next Horny label and all.

Redick is not a Hornacek. Horny wasn't just about shooting. He had other attributes *as strong* as his near-50% FG (both 2/3) and 90% FT. With his ball-handling and passing, he was almost like a 2nd PG alongside Stockton. And he was tough. In the two finals with the Bulls, while Russell chased Jordan, it was Hornacek who guarded Pippen, for those here who don't remember. Alas, his knees gave in toward the end of his career.

That's why Kevin O'Connor, our GM, once blurted out before the lottery why Roy, top SG prospect w/ with all-around skills, would be great in the slimmest of chances we won a top 3 pick. As expected we're stuck at 14 and can't get Roy (without trading one of our core pieces). Our GM has also said we'd like players who can play on both ends of the court.

I think Redick goes ahead of our 14 but if he's there, and he's the best player available, yeah ok 50-50 chance, but I wouldn't be shocked if we actually pass on him.


JazzPoint, I am huge jazz fan and I agree with you. Redick is not what the Jazz need. We need a two-way player that can hit some outside shots and be an offensive threat but also be able to check the other team's SG.

In my mind I would prefer Roy, Foye, Ager in the 1st over Redick. I am not sold on Douby, but I still think he is a better choice then Redick.

In the 2nd round I like Gansey and Bobby Jones.

[coachjon]

roy and foye will be gone by the time jazz pick and i think that is a stretch taking ager that high . if you like him more than redick which some may because he is way more athletic i would trade down to get him into the 17-25 range

[jazzpoint]

JazzPoint, I am huge jazz fan and I agree with you. Redick is not what the Jazz need. We need a two-way player that can hit some outside shots and be an offensive threat but also be able to check the other team's SG.

In my mind I would prefer Roy, Foye, Ager in the 1st over Redick. I am not sold on Douby, but I still think he is a better choice then Redick.

In the 2nd round I like Gansey and Bobby Jones.
Roy's my only SG choice in the lottery.

I don't like the so-called versatile guards who can't shoot (Brewer, Collins).

I also don't like any of the so-called combo guards (including Foye; 41% FG, 35% college 3, what's up with that). Thus, the same disadvantage on defense at the 2 as a Redick scenario. AK can go guard the SG but who guards the SF? Will Foye be fine with a Ben Gordon/Bobby Jackson role, since we've got Deron?

I want Roy and Shelden but they're higher up, Armstrong and Ager look like they'll be available at 14 but I'm not excited, the Jazz could trade down (Nets 22/23 if ever) to meet multiple needs but not sure if that's wise.

[kirk14]

What makes Redick any better than Steve Alford or Todd Lichti? They were pretty much the same player as Redick and had the same limitations. Their careers were very short and unremarkable. Why will Redick's be any different?

[asian]

jj will do fine in the nba. he's a less athletic version of ray allen. he has range out to about 28-30" and the quickest shot release in all of college basketball, he's got a very good mid-range game, he can create shots for himself and for others (he's very good at driving and dishing), he can handle the ball (you just don't see it very often because he was not asked to), plays good team D, he won't wow you with his ahtletic ability but he's more athletic than people give him credit for.

[asian]

What makes Redick any better than Steve Alford or Todd Lichti? They were pretty much the same player as Redick and had the same limitations. Their careers were very short and unremarkable. Why will Redick's be any different?

how many times have u seen jj redick play? i've watched almost all of duke games the past 2 years.

i'll tell you the difference between jj redick and guys like steve kerr, trajan langon, tim legler, todd lichti and casey jacobsen.

steve kerr can't create shots for himself, i've seldom if ever seen him shoot off the dribble. he's standstill shooter, doesn't attack the basket, no midrange-game, no in-between game whatsoever. same goes for guys like tim legler, casey jacobsen, john paxon, jon barry, trajan langdon and kyle korver

todd lichti very, very slow because he was overweight for his size, his playing weight was like 210-215lbs for a 6'4 guard. he can shoot a little off the dribble but he's mostly a spot-up shooter because can't dribble to create space for a shot ie. dribbling behind the back, dribbling between the legs, crossover fadeaways or stepback move. slow release and doesn't have much range on his jumper.

brent barry and casey jacobsen - they're not jump shooters(release the ball at the top of their jump), they're both set shooters.

[kirk14]

I didn't see every Duke game the past two years, but I did see a lot of them and I certainly didn't see JJ Redick create for himself. I saw a great shooter work in an offense that was tailored to getting him open shots.
And if he has all the other skills that you say he has, why isn't he working out against anyone???
And even mentioning Ray Allen in the same sentence is just plain crazy. Ray Allen can create a shot whenever he wants, and he can handle it too.

Maybe you're right, maybe he CAN do all of those things, but I have never seen it, and it seems his agent must suspect the same thing.

[Ahdonis]

Wow!!!!If Redick could all of the things that Asian says he can he would definitley be a top 5 pick. I've watched Duke the past two years and ,while Redick has gotten better at putting the ball on the floor, he is not proficient enough to be anything more than a spot up shooter. I'm still waiting to see Redick attack the basket. If he wasn't asked to handle ball how does Asian know he can. He wasn't asked because his coach knew that ball handling is not a strength.

In the right system Redick will be fine. In the wrong system he will be not so fine.

[asian]

I didn't see every Duke game the past two years, but I did see a lot of them and I certainly didn't see JJ Redick create for himself.

I'm still waiting to see Redick attack the basket.

just watch the clips below:

redick 2 handed dunk off the backboard
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=605583965&n=2&&Mytoken=C9D6AF09-12D6-AD4E-FCAF8FD10E8D10464892880
redick traditional 3pt play duke-georgetown http://rapidshare.de/files/17845775/redick_traditional_3pt_play_duke-georgetown.avi.html
redick steal layup & 1 duke-georgetown
http://rapidshare.de/files/17847906/jj_redick_steal_layup_and_1_duke-georgetown.avi.html
redick with an assortment of mid-range jumpers
http://rapidshare.de/files/22142529/redick_with_an_assortment_of_midrange_jumpers.avi. html
redick nice dish to mcroberts for the slam
http://rapidshare.de/files/22143235/redick_nice_pass_to_mcroberts_for_the_slam.avi.htm l
redick behind the back dribble & pull-up 3 duke at unc
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redick runner in the lane duke at florida state
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Wow!!!!If Redick could all of the things that Asian says he can he would definitley be a top 5 pick.

he's 6'3 or 6'4" at best, and doesn't have the freakish athleticism and long arms that help to make up for his size disadvantage.

he is not proficient enough to be anything more than a spot up shooter.

a spot-up shooter needs to be wide open to have a prayer at hitting a shot.
Redick does not have to be open to hit a jump shot, that is pretty obvious and he has proven it time and again. He shoots great off the dribble and can create his own shots. he knows how to put the ball in the hoop.

If he wasn't asked to handle ball how does Asian know he can. He wasn't asked because his coach knew that ball handling is not a strength.

that's because i have watched more than 90% of their game, jj brought the ball up the court a few times last season. ballhandling is not his strong point but He's skilled enough to handle the ball.

In the right system Redick will be fine. In the wrong system he will be not so fine.

well, that i agree with.

And if he has all the other skills that you say he has, why isn't he working out against anyone???

http://www.deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635211719,00.html
http://www.sltrib.com/ci_3882647?source=rss
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sonics/2003034157_soni02.html

[Ahdonis]

I think Asian has a man crush and I'll stand by my statements. I also watched most of Duke's games and learned something from both the Temple and LSU games. Redick is what he is.

In a recent workout Redick was unable to get a shot against Rodney Carney. Carney is an exceptional athlete and shut JJ down in MSG, but Carney is not unlike the defenders Redick will face in the NBA. Additionally Redick measured 6'3 1/4" and had an unusually short wingspan of 6'2". Redick is an undersized SG with limited athleticism and a below average handle.

Don't worry, According to Cedric "Cornbread" Maxwell on WFNZ... JJR might be the 2nd pick overall...at your local YMCA Saturday Morning league. I don't agree with Cedric, but he's entitled to his opinion just as you are.

You think he's a top 5 pick, I think he goes somewhere between 11-20, and Cedric disagrees with both of us. Who knows???

Do you see any SG's going ahead of Redick???

BTW,do you also have video of the double, triple, and step out screens that Redick used to get open?

[Force]

a spot-up shooter needs to be wide open to have a prayer at hitting a shot.
Redick does not have to be open to hit a jump shot, that is pretty obvious and he has proven it time and again. He shoots great off the dribble and can create his own shots. he knows how to put the ball in the hoop.
disagree about creating his own shots.

He can use his pump fakes to create some open oppurtunties. But can't change directions after the drive. He puts it on the floor for a long time and he struggles.

that's because i have watched more than 90% of their game, jj brought the ball up the court a few times last season. ballhandling is not his strong point but He's skilled enough to handle the ball.
Disagree.

Skilled ballhandler's can bring the ball up and be a threat still. Redick isn't. Besides, there is a huge difference between dribble the ball up against zones and lesser talents and doing so against guards like Baron Davis.

[kirk14]

I think if you dig up some old video you could easily assemble a highlight reel of any of the previously mentioned players that would resemble your "JJ Redick's Greatest Hits" montage. Selectively taking a few examples of a player driving, passing, getting a steal, etc. does not mean he could do it consistently at the next level. Playing the 2 at the NBA level is going to require athleticism, quickness, and ball handling that Redick has not shown.

You may have seen all of Duke's games, but I question whether you've seen enough NBA games to make an accurate assessment of a player's chances at the next level.

[asian]

I think Asian has a man crush and I'll stand by my statements.

please excuse my ignorance. i don't even know the meaning of man-crush. what do you mean by man-crush? have you experienced it before? if you haven't experienced it, how could you know what it is and how can you be fully aware or how can you be so sure? lol! coz really, it takes 1 to know 1. ;)

all i know is JJ Redick is the closest thing to jeff hornacek and jeff malone. ever since i was a kid, i've been a huge fan of them both.

I also watched most of Duke's games and learned something from both the Temple and LSU games. Redick is what he is.

if you've watched most of duke's games, you'll know that jj's the focus of every defense he comes across, the most intensely guarded player in college hoops.
you'll know that the redick you saw in the acc and ncaa tournament isn't the same redick you saw all season long, because he wore down late in the season and he also injured his right knee in the acc semi-final game against wake forest. it takes a toll on you physically, when you're u're being grabbed, bumped, scratched and double-teamed almost every game. you'll also noticed that he looked noticeably slower, no energy on his legs and wasn't getting as much lift on his jumper.

In a recent workout Redick was unable to get a shot against Rodney Carney. Carney is an exceptional athlete and shut JJ down in MSG, but Carney is not unlike the defenders Redick will face in the NBA. Additionally Redick measured 6'3 1/4" and had an unusually short wingspan of 6'2". Redick is an undersized SG with limited athleticism and a below average handle.

well, Carney was shut down and held scoreless in a recent workout by a lesser name and smaller player Maurice Ager of MSU. so you're saying Carney can't create shots for himself? there's is always a match up problems for every player. Redick has one of the smoothest best pull-up jumpers in college hoops, he will be fine if goes to a team where the coach is willing to run some plays.

You think he's a top 5 pick, I think he goes somewhere between 11-20, and Cedric disagrees with both of us. Who knows???

Do you see any SG's going ahead of Redick???

i've never said he's a top 5 player. find me a post where i said he's a top 5 player.

the only shooting guard i'll take before him is brandon roy and maybe rodney carney.

[asian]

disagree about creating his own shots.

He can use his pump fakes to create some open oppurtunties. But can't change directions after the drive. He puts it on the floor for a long time and he struggles.

just watch the video clips that i posted earlier, he was either driving to hole or creating and pulling up off the dribble.

Skilled ballhandler's can bring the ball up and be a threat still. Redick isn't. Besides, there is a huge difference between dribble the ball up against zones and lesser talents and doing so against guards like Baron Davis.

when did i ever said that he's great ballhandler? all i said was that he's skilled enough to handle the ball. he's pure 2g not a pg.

[Ahdonis]

[if you've watched most of duke's games, you'll know that jj's the focus of every defense he comes across, the most intensely guarded player in college hoops.]

He was no more intensely guarded than Adam Morrison, Dee Brown, Quincy Douby, or any other player who was the focal point of his team's offense. Defenses try to take away the number ONE option and Redick was Duke's #1 option.

[you'll know that the redick you saw in the acc and ncaa tournament isn't the same redick you saw all season long,]

So, he wears down in a 30 game season. Uh, how's that work for an 82 game season?
It seems to me we saw the same Redick every year in the tournament. Was he hurt at the end of 2005,2004, 0r 2003? What was he this year? 3/18. That followed a 2/16,a 4/12, and a 4/14 effort in other tournament losses. That's consistent. Dude is clutch. 11/60 in tournament losses. Pressure doesn't bother him.

[Carney was shut down and held scoreless in a recent workout by a lesser name and smaller player Maurice Ager of MSU.]

First of all, if you follow college basketball you probably wouldn't call Maurice Ager a lesser player. Maurice Ager is an NBA athlete, who I think teabagged Redick in the 2005 tournament. Here is one writer's account of the dunk.

"With one high-flying display of muscle and moxie, Maurice Ager and the Michigan State Spartans put the exclamation point on their bruising run through the NCAA tournament.
Taking a pass from Alan Anderson on a fastbreak in the second half, Ager took one step and leaped high over Duke's J.J. Redick before hammering down a spectacular tomahawk dunk. He then pounded his chest with his fist."

BTW, in this matchup Ager scored 14 points in 28 minutes, while Redick went for 13 points in 39 minutes. Ager was 6/13 from the field, while Redick was 4/14. Secondly, since Carney, unlike Redick, can be a shut down defender his offense is only part of his game. Being held scoreless and being held without a shot are two different things. That being said, I'll take Carney over Redick any day.

[asian]

I think if you dig up some old video you could easily assemble a highlight reel of any of the previously mentioned players that would resemble your "JJ Redick's Greatest Hits" montage.

yeah, find me some clips where steve kerr, trajan langdon, john paxon, tim legler or casey jacobsen were able to dribble to create space for a shot ie. behind the back dribble for a stepback jumper. then we'll talk.


Selectively taking a few examples of a player driving, passing, getting a steal, etc. does not mean he could do it consistently at the next level.

the reason i post those clips is because ahdonis said i've watched most of duke games but i'm still waiting to see redick to attack the basket and you've said i've never seen him create shots for himself.
now that i've presented the video as facts of evidence, you're switching gears and saying stuff like it does not mean he could do it consistently at the next lever? well, i've never said he could do it consistently at the next level, i just want thay prove that he can create some shots for himself and that separates him from stand still shooters like steve kerr, kyle korver or casey jacobsen.

Playing the 2 at the NBA level is going to require athleticism, quickness, and ball handling that Redick has not shown.

You may have seen all of Duke's games, but I question whether you've seen enough NBA games to make an accurate assessment of a player's chances at the next level.

have u ever heard of the names jeff hornacek and jeff malone? both stand about 6'4, unathletic but they're big time scorers because they're very smart, crafty scorers whose bread n butter play is shooting mid-range jumpers off the dribble or off screens.

i've been following the nba since i was 7 yrs old, the year Mark Price and jeff hornacek entered the league. i watch all nba games whenever i can.

[Ahdonis]

have u ever heard of the names jeff hornacek and jeff malone? both stand about 6'4, unathletic


You do know that Hornacek left the Big 8 as the league's ALL-TIME leader in assists,right? Jeff Malone was known for hitting off balance jumopers and floaters in the lane. Redick has not shown the ability to score in either of those ways.

[asian]

[if you've watched most of duke's games, you'll know that jj's the focus of every defense he comes across, the most intensely guarded player in college hoops.]

He was no more intensely guarded than Adam Morrison, Dee Brown, Quincy Douby, or any other player who was the focal point of his team's offense. Defenses try to take away the number ONE option and Redick was Duke's #1 option.

[you'll know that the redick you saw in the acc and ncaa tournament isn't the same redick you saw all season long,]

So, he wears down in a 30 game season. Uh, how's that work for an 82 game season?
It seems to me we saw the same Redick every year in the tournament. Was he hurt at the end of 2005,2004, 0r 2003? What was he this year? 3/18. That followed a 2/16,a 4/12, and a 4/14 effort in other tournament losses. That's consistent. Dude is clutch. 11/60 in tournament losses. Pressure doesn't bother him.

[Carney was shut down and held scoreless in a recent workout by a lesser name and smaller player Maurice Ager of MSU.]

First of all, if you follow college basketball you probably wouldn't call Maurice Ager a lesser player. Maurice Ager is an NBA athlete, who I think teabagged Redick in the 2005 tournament. Here is one writer's account of the dunk.

"With one high-flying display of muscle and moxie, Maurice Ager and the Michigan State Spartans put the exclamation point on their bruising run through the NCAA tournament.
Taking a pass from Alan Anderson on a fastbreak in the second half, Ager took one step and leaped high over Duke's J.J. Redick before hammering down a spectacular tomahawk dunk. He then pounded his chest with his fist."

BTW, in this matchup Ager scored 14 points in 28 minutes, while Redick went for 13 points in 39 minutes. Ager was 6/13 from the field, while Redick was 4/14. Secondly, since Carney, unlike Redick, can be a shut down defender his offense is only part of his game. Being held scoreless and being held without a shot are two different things. That being said, I'll take Carney over Redick any day.

i know maurice ager is bigtime athlete and a great defensive player but is he even considered as a lotto pick coming into the draft? he's a lesser name when compared to Carney.
Redick struggled shooting the ball in all 3 ncaa games his junior year, that just my point that he always wore down late in the season. but you also failed to mentioned the fact that Redick also torched Ager & MSU in the regular season 2 years ago.

[asian]

Jeff Malone was known for hitting off balance jumopers and floaters in the lane. Redick has not shown the ability to score in either of those ways.

that's only your opinion, i have posted video clips to disproof your statements. i guess we'll have to agree to disagree..

[Ahdonis]

i have posted video clips to disproof your statements

Just because a player did something once or twice does not mean they are proficient at that particular skill. Shaq hits a foul shot once in awhile, which I'm sure I could find on video. Does that mean he is a good free throw shooter? Spud Webb probably blocked a shot here and there. Does that make him a shot-blocker? You disproved nothing.

he always wore down late in the season.

All I heard this year was that he was in the greatest shape of his career. He[Redick] denied reports that he wore down, which was Dukie V's excuse Redick's late season slump. I think he just had a slump and I think LSU just shut him down by putting a longer, better athlete on him.

but is he even considered as a lotto pick coming into the draft? he's a lesser name when compared to Carney.

Who knows what will happpen in the draft? By all reports I've seen, Ager has been showing very well at the tryouts and moving up the charts. Personally, I think Carney and Ager are very close in their skill sets and athleticism. Ager may have a better skill set and Carney may be a better athlete, but I'm splitting hairs. Both have NBA type games.

NBADRAFT.NET just came out with updated rankings of the seniors in this draft. It is interesting. Here is the lsit and a link.
http://nbadraft.net/Classof2006.asp


1.Randy Foye 6-3 205 PG/SG Villanova Sr.
2.Rodney Carney 6-7 205 SG/SF Memphis Sr.
3.Brandon Roy 6-5 195 SG Washington Sr.
4.Maurice Ager 6-4 180 SG Michigan State Sr.
5.JJ Redick 6-4 190 SG Duke Sr.
6.Shelden Williams 6-9 255 PF Duke Sr.
7.Mardy Collins 6-6 205 SG Temple Sr.
8.Hilton Armstrong 6-11 235 PF UConn Sr.
9.Kevin Pittsnogle 6-11 255 PF/C West Virginia Sr.
10.Mike Gansey 6-4 205 SG West Virginia Sr.

BTW, Greg Doyel of CBSSportsline has that lesser player, Maurice Ager, being drafted 7th overall by the Boston Celtics in his mock draft.
http://www.cbs.sportsline.com/nba/draft/mock

Here's another mock draft that has the lesser player, Maurice Ager , going 14th to Utah. Oh yeah, this site has Redick going 25th to Cleveland. That would be a good fit for JJ.
http://realgm.com/src_feature_article/95/20060529/realgm_mock_draft_version_30/

[kirk14]

Damn!!!
I was totally going to put together a fantastic highlight reel of slow white jump shooters, but my wife got all of my Lichti, Kerr,and Jacobson footage in the divorce last year! Asian, make sure you include your JJ Redick collection in a prenup if you get hitched. Community property my ass!!!

[Force]

just watch the video clips that i posted earlier, he was either driving to hole or creating and pulling up off the dribble.
Well I'm sure if I dig enough, I can find a clip of Redick dribbling the ball off his leg. Doesn't mean squat.

It isn't if he can or not, does he have the skills to consistently do so and create his shot against elite defenders. As for him being different from other spot up shooters, yippee for Redick. But there are holes on defense, creating for others, and athletism.

[asian]

Just because a player did something once or twice does not mean they are proficient at that particular skill. Shaq hits a foul shot once in awhile, which I'm sure I could find on video. Does that mean he is a good free throw shooter? Spud Webb probably blocked a shot here and there. Does that make him a shot-blocker? You disproved nothing.[/url]

once or twice? once in awhile? he's been doing it every game, creating shots for himself and pulling up for jumpers, fade away jumper or off balance jumpers off the dribble. 50% of his points came from mid-range jumpers off the dribble. he's hitting shots with a defender on him. now, it just bolster my opinion that you didn't watch duke play much. i can post clips of him creating shots for himself from every game, but will you even bother to watch it? i doubt it!



All I heard this year was that he was in the greatest shape of his career. He[Redick] denied reports that he wore down, which was Dukie V's excuse Redick's late season slump. I think he just had a slump and I think LSU just shut him down by putting a longer, better athlete on him.[/url]

while garrett temple gave him a lot of problems defensively, but he didn't shut him down coz he redick was able to get shots off and blew past him 4-5 times in that game. it's just that he was having a bad day offensively, he was missing wide open 3s, and when he was able to get by temple, there's a ton of long and lean, ultra athletic shotblockers (tyrus thomas, darnell lazare, rolle and mini shaq glen davis)waiting for him in the lane.

i think it was a combination of a lot of factors, being fatigued (he avg. almost 40 mins every game not to mention being the focus of every D he faced), being double-teamed, injured right knees, long and lean athletic defender and a bad shooting game that contributed to his worst performance of his career.

Here's another mock draft that has the lesser player, Maurice Ager , going 14th to Utah. Oh yeah, this site has Redick going 25th to Cleveland. That would be a good fit for JJ.
http://realgm.com/src_feature_article/95/20060529/realgm_mock_draft_version_30/

no way redick drops that low, i don't think he will get past utah jazz.

[asian]

It isn't if he can or not, does he have the skills to consistently do so and create his shot against elite defenders. As for him being different from other spot up shooters, yippee for Redick. But there are holes on defense, creating for others, and athletism.

if he could do all the things that you've mentioned above, he'd be a top 5 pick. he has shown that he can consistently create shots for himself at the college level, in the nba? who knows? that's why he's considered as a late lotto to mid 1st round not a top 5 pick.
the thing is teams won't draft him to be their primary option on offense. he'll be drafted as a viable 2nd or 3rd option on offense.

i see a pattern here...first, he can't create shots for himself, he's a spot-up shooter, never seen him create shot for himself or others....now, it isn't if he can or not, can he do it consistently? what's next? he can't rebound, he can't pass, he can't handle the ball, he can't play D, he can't play the pg position, he's too weak to play in the nba. :rolleyes:

the problem is haters tend to focus on what he can't do, they wants to talk about what he can't do but they ignore what he does best and what he can bring to the team.

[Ahdonis]

50% of his points came from mid-range jumpers off the dribble. he's hitting shots with a defender on him.

This statement is mathematically impossible. Redick scored 964 points. He made 139 (3)'s and 221 free throws. Add those two together and the total is 638 , which is almost TWO-THIRDS of Redick's total production. Take away the elbow jumpers, which came as a result of double-screens, and the lay-ups he got because of teammates' steals and the number drops even more. 33% becomes less than 10% in reality. Did you really watch Duke play?

it's just that he was having a bad day offensively,
He was having a bad day because he couldn't shake 18-year old Garrett Temple. Temple was able to attack Redick's handle because his handle isn't that good.


ultra athletic shotblockers (tyrus thomas, darnell lazare, rolle and mini shaq glen davis)waiting for him in the

Redick can't finish. He is not a finisher. That's OK. LSU could have had Billy Barty patrolling the paint and Redick still wouldn't finish. That's not who he is.

he avg. almost 40 mins every game


He averaged 37 minutes per game.Did you really watch Duke play?

bad shooting game that contributed to his worst performance of his career.

Redick seemed to make a habit of having the worst performance of his career in the biggest games. He was 11/60 in the tournament games that Duke lost. Don't give me the fatigue BS, or the injury BS, or any other propoganda. The fact is that Redick was defended. It is as simple as that.


BTW, I don't think Redick will drop to 25 either, but maybe he should.

[Rockets]

^Why are you being nitpicky? He said "almost 40", isn't 37 "almost 40"?

[asian]

This statement is mathematically impossible. Redick scored 964 points. He made 139 (3)'s and 221 free throws. Add those two together and the total is 638 , which is almost TWO-THIRDS of Redick's total production. Take away the elbow jumpers, which came as a result of double-screens, and the lay-ups he got because of teammates' steals and the number drops even more. 33% becomes less than 10% in reality. Did you really watch Duke play?.

ok, my bad. what i should have said is more than 50% of his fgs came from 2pt fgs not from points. he has total of 302 fgs with 163 fgs coming from the 2pt area and 139 from the 3pt area. if you've have really seen him play, most of his 2pt fgs came from pull-up jumpers off the dribble, even most of his 3s came from pulling up off the dribble.


Did you really watch Duke play?
of course, more than you've ever did. otherwise, how can i come up with all those videos if i didn't watch them play?


He was having a bad day because he couldn't shake 18-year old Garrett Temple. Temple was able to attack Redick's handle because his handle isn't that good.

like i've mentioned earlier, it was a combination of a lot of factors.




Redick can't finish. He is not a finisher. That's OK. LSU could have had Billy Barty patrolling the paint and Redick still wouldn't finish. That's not who he is.

who cares? he's a shooter who can create shots for himself, he's not a slasher. but the video clips that i posted earlier have shown that he can finish plays around the basket. but you keep ignoring it. i can post a lot more videos him finishing around the hoops but you don't even bother to watch it so what's the point of posting it?

He averaged 37 minutes per game.Did you really watch Duke play?.

isn't 37 minutes almost 40 minutes? and i seldom, if ever look at the statsheets. all i know is he's usually still playing even when they have a big lead with 2 or 3 minutes left in the 2nd half.


Redick seemed to make a habit of having the worst performance of his career in the biggest games. He was 11/60 in the tournament games that Duke lost. Don't give me the fatigue BS, or the injury BS, or any other propoganda. The fact is that Redick was defended. It is as simple as that..

yeah right! college teams don't play D in the regular season. :rolleyes:

[kirk14]

I am not a hater focusing only on what he cannot do. I have no hate for JJ Redick or any other prospect. He is hands down the best shooter in this draft. But unfortunately, a lot of things have to happen before that shot gets taken, and there is the matter of the defense. My concerns about him being limited are valid. If it were a HORSE contest he would be my first pick. But, it's not. It's basketball, which requires more than great shooting. And Redick is lacking in these other areas.

[Blobo]

Nobody makes 26ppg at 1.5pps just by using screens and hitting open 3s, he has developed a nice arsenal of moves to create and has also no problems making contested shots from NBA 3-point range.
If he gets drafted by the right team i have no doubts that he can become a 15ppg(if he extends his repertoire even more) starting SG and not just a role player comin from the bench, biggest concern is his defense but in my opinion it isn't that bad(like Adam Morrison for example), solid speed, size is actually not that bad and endurance is excellent.

[Ahdonis]

if you've have really seen him play, most of his 2pt fgs came from pull-up jumpers off the dribble, even most of his 3s came from pulling up off the dribble.

This is one of the most inaccurate statements I've ever seen concerning Redick .Most of 2's came on curls moves that resulted in shots from the elbow after getting staggered baseline screens from McBob and Williams. Many of his 3's came on secondary breaks as a result of ball penetration. The balance of the others came as a result of set plays designed to get him open. He did occassionally create his own shot, but it is not one of his stregths.

Who hasn't seen him play? Duke was on TV more often than "Leave it to Beaver" reruns. Everybody has seen him play.

[QUOTE]
who cares? he's a shooter who can create shots for himself,

I guess this is a mattter of perception. According to most of the NBA scouting reports I've seen, the NBA people question Redick's ability to create his own shot. I agree with them because they have probably broken down more film than you've seen..


yeah right! college teams don't play D in the regular season

If you check the ACC's scoring numbers in the league season and the tournament , you might come to the conclusion that not much DEFENSE is played in the ACC. Duke averaged 83.5 ppg in the ACC. In the tournament they averaged 66 ppg. UNC averaged 79.5 in the ACC and 65 ppg in the tournament. Do you see a pattern?????



Posted by Blobo:
Nobody makes 26ppg at 1.5pps just by using screens and hitting open 3s,
You are right. They do it by taking 32% of their teams shots because the entire offense is built around them and by attempting more free throws(243) than any perimeter player in recent memory.

no problems making contested shots from NBA 3-point range
That's interesting. The best shooters in the NBA have problems making contested 3 pointers, but Redick won't. LOL

[Below is a post on another thread from a respected and knowledgable member of this forum.]


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If the Houston were to take Redick at 8, teams would be extremely hesitant to double Yao or McGrady. With the most talented dynamic duo in the league (arguably), why would you not go after the best shooter to come out of college in years.

[FORCE]I'm not big on taking an one way player that is at best a spot time role player. If they want a shooter so bad, take Novak or Pittsnogle later and have Yao or McGrady create. Or sign other shooters. No need to waste a pick on Redick when you can fix more important needs. Namely defense in the perimeter and a banger next to Yao.

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In conclusion, if he's projected to go 11th anyhow, you might as well take him at 8. It would present potential chaos for opponents on the defensive end.
Disagree.

[FORCE]That bid dude from the Raptors, Hoffa, was just traded. Why? Projected late lotto, tooken at 8 to fit a need right away because of college career, but lacked athletism and talent to make an impact in the league.

Redick won't create chaos. Shooters like Redd create chaos. Hell, Brent Barry doesn't create chaos and he is more talented.

[Blobo]

Hatin is boring.

[Ahdonis]

Nothing to do with hate. Everything to do with objectivity and facing reality. It seems like anytime anyone questions Redick or any other Dukie for that matter they are HATING. I guess that's what you say when the facts are put in front of you and there is no defense.

Are the NBA people HATERS , as well?

[asian]

[QUOTE]
This is one of the most inaccurate statements I've ever seen concerning Redick .Most of 2's came on curls moves that resulted in shots from the elbow after getting staggered baseline screens from McBob and Williams. Many of his 3's came on secondary breaks as a result of ball penetration. The balance of the others came as a result of set plays designed to get him open. He did occassionally create his own shot, but it is not one of his stregths.

if that's the most inaccurate statements you've ever seen concerning redick,

then......
I've watched Duke the past two years and, I'm still waiting to see Redick attack the basket.

this is the most ridiculous statement i've ever read.

at least i can post videos (facts) to prove my points.


Who hasn't seen him play? Duke was on TV more often than "Leave it to Beaver" reruns. Everybody has seen him play.

it's one thing to watch the the whole game, it's another thing for haters to watch the game for 5-10 minutes.


I guess this is a mattter of perception. According to most of the NBA scouting reports I've seen, the NBA people question Redick's ability to create his own shot. I agree with them because they have probably broken down more film than you've seen.


Redick rising like a Rocket
posted: Wednesday, June 7, 2006 | Feedback

‧ For Chad Ford's preview of the Top 10 players to watch at the Orlando pre-draft camp, click here.

From the NBA's perspective, one of the biggest questions of the college basketball season was this: Will J.J. Redick be a good pro?

Can college basketball's Player of the Year become an elite NBA player? Or is he little more than a sharp-shooting role player, like Kyle Korver and Steve Kerr?

Scouts have leaned toward the latter all year. Their concerns? His size for a shooting guard, his lack of athleticism, his defensive inadequacies and the one-dimensional nature of his game.

But is there a point when you overthink a guy? His success at Duke was so dominant that the question must be asked, if he can do it against the best players in college basketball every night, why can't he do it in the pros?

The early word back from workouts in places like Houston, Utah and Boston has been surprisingly positive.

Sources with all three teams have said the same thing to me. Redick is better than they thought he would be. He's tested well in the athletic drills teams take him through. His defense has been aggressive in one-on-one sessions. He's shown the ability to create and make his own shot against some of the best college players in the draft.

Even a guy who's been scouted and scouted and scouted can surprise folks.

"I'm actually not a huge believer in individual workouts," one NBA executive said. "However, I think we learned a lot about that kid and it was all good. In almost every area, including shooting, he was better than we thought. You can watch him in games and see that he can really play. But it wasn't until the workouts that you could really see that he may be able to do some of those same things against NBA athletes. He's not going to be the MVP of the league or anything. But he's going to be a good player in the league."

How good? Good enough that Redick appears to be in the conversation with the Celtics at No. 7 and in serious consideration by the Rockets at No. 8.

In my first mock draft, I put Redick at No. 8, because he appeared to be a good fit for the Rockets. With Yao Ming and Tracy McGrady getting double-teamed on a nightly basis, Redick should have plenty of wide open jumpers. No one in the draft would be better at hitting them.

But after Redick's workout, I think the Rockets see him as a kid who could eventually become the third best player on their team and as a gritty competitor who should be able to step right in and contribute. There's no question the Rockets want to be back in the playoff hunt next season. Besides Redick, Brandon Roy, who's unlikely to slip to No. 8, is probably the only guy in the draft who could play for the Rockets right now.

If the Rockets don't take Redick at No. 8, he'll likely go to either the Magic at No. 11 or the Jazz at No. 14. But until I hear differently, I think that 8 may be Redick's magic number.

[Ahdonis]

Hey, if you think Redick attacks the basket, so be it. I disagree. I think he is a jump shooter , who can't and doesn't finish. Finishers are guys like Maurice Ager, Rudy Gay, Randy Foye, Shannon Brown,etc....

I watched Duke games long enough to see Redick and Williams on the floor in the last two minutes when the outcome had already been decided. I didn't understand the strategy then and I still don't.

Chad Ford, a sportswriter and not an NBA scout, is entitled to his opinion just like the writers at REALGM.COM are entitled to theirs.

[25. Cleveland Cavaliers : J.J. Redick, SG, Duke, 6/25/84.]
http://realgm.com/src_feature_article/95/20060529/realgm_mock_draft_version_30/

It really doesn't matter where goes. What matters is what he is able to do after he gets there. On that point I agree with FORCE'S statement above.

"Redick won't create chaos. Shooters like Redd create chaos. Hell, Brent Barry doesn't create chaos and he is more talented.

[Blobo]

No one's saying that Redick has no weaknesses, his game has some major deficits but to say that someone who was such a dominant scorer over the last 2 years while gettin almost no help from the other guards on his team(Paulus and Dockery were hardly offensive threats) is overrated and has no chance to be an average NBA player is just ridicolous.
All Redick can do is hitting open js?Wow who was else on this Duke team the last years so that he got so open shots, Kidd?Chris Paul?Magic?
Check out the new interview with Randy Foye, i guess he can judge Redicks game better than anyone here.

[Ahdonis]

I've changed my mind. Redick will be great. S.Williams,J.McRoberts, Paulus, and Dockery had nothing to dio with Redick's prolific scoring season. He constantly scored without the help of screens and or passes by beating his man off of the dribble and exploding to the basket. His handle rivals that of Steve Nash and his explosiveness is similiar to Vince Carter. He will be the man next year.

[K-J]

He constantly scored without the help of screens and or passes ...
Oh yes he surely won't get that in the NBA.

... by beating his man off of the dribble and exploding to the basket.
Nobody said he's as explosive as Wade, he's just able to do it when he needs to.

[Ahdonis]

Oh yes he surely won't get that in the NBA.

No, he won't!!! He will be a third of forth option With a 24 second clock the offenses in the NBA can't afford to make a jump shooter a primary or secondary option. There's just not enough time . if he gets jammed up.


he's just able to do it when he needs to.

I guess he didn't need to do it this year against LSU or last year against Michigan State in the tournament.3/18 this year and 4/14 last year.

[K-J]

No, he won't!!! He will be a third of forth option With a 24 second clock the offenses in the NBA can't afford to make a jump shooter a primary or secondary option. There's just not enough time . if he gets jammed up.
So basically the only plays that will set up Redick are Motion plays?

I guess he didn't need to do it this year against LSU or last year against Michigan State in the tournament.3/18 this year and 4/14 last year.
Would you consider his inside game better or worse than his outside game?

[Ahdonis]

Would you consider his inside game better or worse than his outside game?

What INSIDE GAME ARE YOU REFERRING TO?

So basically the only plays that will set up Redick are Motion plays?

Redick's scoring will come on secondary breaks, and , in the half court, as a result of dribble pentration by a teammate.

[K-J]

What INSIDE GAME ARE YOU REFERRING TO?
Driving is what I call inside game, since it's not really an outside game now is it :rolleyes:

Redick's scoring will come on secondary breaks, and , in the half court, as a result of dribble pentration by a teammate.
And a 24 shot clock will disable him to do what he does best, that is to shoot?

[Ahdonis]

Driving is what I call inside game,

What's the point of driving , if you can't finish .Your point is moot.

And a 24 shot clock will disable him to do what he does best

I don't think the 24 second clock will DISABLE him. but it will hinder his ability to get open for shots.

[K-J]

What's the point of driving , if you can't finish .Your point is moot.
Oh yes, the statement that you've seen all Duke games seems less and less credible. Asian even posted some links of him driving and bricking, oh wait finishing. Just because he's known to be an outside shooter, doesn't mean he can't finish inside, it does make him a lovely target for some bashing, doesn't it?

Besides do you really expect Redick to handle the ball that many times at the next level? He can drive, when he needs to. He has shown that, if you still deny that, I suggest you watch some of asian's videos. I assume those clear angles make you think otherwise.

I don't think the 24 second clock will DISABLE him. but it will hinder his ability to get open for shots.
Well how long do you expect a motion play to be if it's designed especially for him? Especially with the new defense rules, wouldn't it be difficult to "jam" him up.

[Ahdonis]

I don't need to watch Asian's videos. I saw it live and one or two finishes does not a finisher make. I'm not bashing anybody, I'm just detailing the holes that exist in Redick's game and why those holes may cause him trouble at the next level. If you want to think he is a FINISHER, that's fine with me. I am allowed to disagree.


You are the POSTER who used the word DISABLE, not me.I don't think the 24 second clock works to Redick's advantage.

Here's a little blurb form the Sonics which is interesting.(Seattle Post Intelligencer)

The Sonics have had eight players in for workouts, including Villanova guard Randy Foye, Duke guard J.J. Redick, Bradley center Patrick O'Bryant and Duke forward Shelden Williams. Foye may not be available at 10. Sonics officials were impressed with Redick's shooting, but are not certain if he is an impact player.

http://www.insidehoops.com/nba_rumors.shtml

[K-J]

I don't need to watch Asian's videos. I saw it live and one or two finishes does not a finisher make. I'm not bashing anybody, I'm just detailing the holes that exist in Redick's game and why those holes may cause him trouble at the next level. If you want to think he is a FINISHER, that's fine with me. I am allowed to disagree.
Nobody ever said he's a finisher. He's known to be a shooter, the best in the draft that is. Would've been the best in last year's draft, and probably the year before that as well. If you're known as a shooter, it's easy to bash him as not being a finisher. Like Peja, he drives when he needs to.

This "hole" is known and is what GMs take in account, I assume, but isn't he still considered a lottery player by them? Meaning...

You are the POSTER who used the word DISABLE, not me.I don't think the 24 second clock works to Redick's advantage.
Yeah, I don't think the 24 second clocks works to anyone's advantage. If you hinder someone to become open, don't you disable them for the play?

Here's a little blurb form the Sonics which is interesting.(Seattle Post Intelligencer)
I'd rather go out from a player's opinion:
Jonathan Givony: Who has impressed you the most so far? You've had eight workouts... that be as many as 30 guys you've worked out with. Has anyone impressed you in particular that you've gone up against?

Randy Foye: J.J. Redick. Every time me and J.J. played on a team we've played well together. A lot of people look at J.J. as being just a shooter, but he is more than just a shooter. He can do other things. He did everything pretty well

[Ahdonis]

the best in the draft that is.

Open for debate. Some scouts think Steve Novak is a better NBA range shooter. Novak hit 46 % this year, while Redick hit 42%. I heard this last year, as well. when it was clear that Salim Stoudamire was the best 3-point shooter in the college game.

I don't think the 24 second clocks works to anyone's advantage

The 24-second clock is an advantage for guys who can consistently create their own shot. Why? Becuase as the shot clock winds down the ball goes to them.

I'd rather go out from a player's opinion:

That's fine. I'd rather go with the opinion of someone who is in a position to draft a player.

Nobody ever said he's a finisher.
You better let Asianknow that. He posteds video clips and you referenced those video clips. Have you changed your mind?

[MikeATL]

Best case scenario for him is Houston.

Yao can pass out of the high post, and bring in the double team. McGrady can create as well as anybody. Redick can thrive having two players create for him, as well as Yao and McGrady having someone space out for them.

However, burning the 14th pick for Redick?

Nah.

I'd rather have Foye if avalible, or Brewer.

I can imagine Redick in Phoenix. Doesn't run well, but when he does get down there, imagine Nash creating for him. Phoenix preaches ball movement and three point shooting, as well as slashing for creating the three. While Redick doesn't slash and create, he can benefit off catch and shoot. And unlike Barbosa or Marion or Bell, he can hit a shot contested. Not to mention he doesn't have to worry about man defense.

Redick will not be going to Houston. They are very serious about two players, which at this time I'm not at liberty to discuss. I'll just say they are big men. Don't be surprised to see Redick picked somewhere in the 15-20 range.

[K-J]

Open for debate. Some scouts think Steve Novak is a better NBA range shooter. Novak hit 46 % this year, while Redick hit 42%. I heard this last year, as well. when it was clear that Salim Stoudamire was the best 3-point shooter in the college game.
You're taking percentages as a reference to who the better NBA range shooter is? Assuming you've also seen Novak play, how would you rate defense on him on the perimeter comparing with Redick's?

Indeed Salim shot an amazing 50% in his last year at Arizona, but again, different factors play with that as well. Just look at his numbers in the NBA now, 38%. Is that due to tighter man-to-man? Percentages don't tell the whole story right. Ofcourse we will all have to see how Redick will do in the NBA.

The 24-second clock is an advantage for guys who can consistently create their own shot. Why? Becuase as the shot clock winds down the ball goes to them.
Oh yeah and pressured shot is ofcourse better, hoisting up a J before the clock winds down. Probably a reason why the shot clock winds down without a shot, is because the guy who can consistently create their own shot, didn't.

That's fine. I'd rather go with the opinion of someone who is in a position to draft a player.
The whole "opinion" of the Sonics official is pretty useless. Doesn't everybody know that, a load of crap used as a smokescreen obviously.

You better let Asianknow that. He posteds video clips and you referenced those video clips. Have you changed your mind?
Yeah I referenced to that, what's your point? I said he used it when he had to, videos prove that he can drive. In what way am I supposed to change my mind?

[Ahdonis]

Assuming you've also seen Novak play, how would you rate defense on him on the perimeter comparing with Redick's?

Novak was the focus of the defenses playing against Marquette. If I remember correxctly he started his Big East career with a 40+ effort against UConn. This included a 6/13 effort from the 3-point line. You seem to be under the impression that Redick was the only player who was closely guarded.

Is that due to tighter man-to-man?
The defense is BETTER and the line is about 4 feet further back. Common sense tells you that deeper shots will result in lower percentages.

Oh yeah and pressured shot is ofcourse better

If a player cAn create the shot might be contested, but not normally pressured. These guys are good at what they do.

I said he used it when he had to
So, he didn't have to against LSU. He just chose not to?? I get it.

The whole "opinion" of the Sonics official is pretty useless
The point being that Foye is worthy of a top 10 draft choice, but the Sonics are not sure if Redick is. Smokescreen-Maybe or maybe not.

Did you read MikeATL's post , which is above mione??? Interesting, huh?

Don't be surprised to see Redick picked somewhere in the 15-20 range.

[K-J]

Novak was the focus of the defenses playing against Marquette. If I remember correxctly he started his Big East career with a 40+ effort against UConn. This included a 6/13 effort from the 3-point line. You seem to be under the impression that Redick was the only player who was closely guarded.
Great for him, but we don't judge players by one game, do we know. If he was the focus of the defenses, he was also probably the first option on offense. Yet the consistency seems to be lacking in that area, seeing he averaged 17.5 PPG. If he shoots so good, why didn't he take more 3-pointers?

I seem to be under the impression that Redick was the most closest guarded last season, and I seem to be under the impression that I have yet to see a player that was more guarded closely than him.

The defense is BETTER and the line is about 4 feet further back. Common sense tells you that deeper shots will result in lower percentages.
The reason why you cannot put Stoudamire above Redick in being a better 3 point shooter at the next level.

If a player cAn create the shot might be contested, but not normally pressured. These guys are good at what they do.
If they're good at what they do, they're probably either the first or second option, and should've gotten the rock earlier. Atleast earlier than the moment the clocks within 5.

So, he didn't have to against LSU. He just chose not to?? I get it.
What part of his game do you consider the strongest? And I assume that running towards Tyrus and Big Baby doesn't make a lot of sense if you're not Rodney Carney-athletic.

The point being that Foye is worthy of a top 10 draft choice, but the Sonics are not sure if Redick is. Smokescreen-Maybe or maybe not.
The article never stated the Sonics are not sure he's worth a top 10'. They're questioning his impact. Looking at the past, "role-players" have been drafted in the top 10 as well. Based on potential or whatever.

Did you read MikeATL's post , which is above mione??? Interesting, huh?
I have no idea what MikeATL's occupation is, what his relation with the draft is. Do you? If so, please eloborate why his opinion is so highly regarded.

[Ahdonis]

Believe whatever you want to believe. I will believe what I want to believe.

BTW, Novak took al most 300 fewer shots than Redick, but his pps was almost identical. Redick 1.50 and Novak 1.49.

I'm glad that you do concede that Stoudamire was a much better 3-point shooter in college than Redick was.

[asian]

Just because he's known to be an outside shooter, doesn't mean he can't finish inside, it does make him a lovely target for some bashing, doesn't it?

great post, i couldn't have said it any better myself.


Nobody makes 26ppg at 1.5pps just by using screens and hitting open 3s, he has developed a nice arsenal of moves to create

you've hit the nail in the head there, Blobo.

[Ahdonis]

Time will tell how well JJR does at the next level. You guys think he has the tools and I think he is few tools short. We shall see next year. In a few days we will see how many tools the NBA execs think he has.

[Ahdonis]

Hey Asian:
You got video of Redick's most recent drive? If you don't, I'm sure the Durham Police Department will send you one.

[Ahdonis]

Asian;
Still no video!!!!! C'mon , dude, I know you can find some. Did you check the DBR? How about Duke Update?

[Ahdonis]

Are rumors of Redick's back injury true or is he avoiding Foye, Carney, Brewer, and Jones? His agent denies he has a back injury , but he cancelled a Thursday workout with the Timberwolves.

Redick cancels workout: Duke guard J.J. Redick was scheduled to work out Thursday, but he canceled because of a back injury, Wolves coach Dwane Casey said. Redick was arrested early Tuesday and charged with driving while intoxicated in Durham, N.C. He reportedly canceled workouts with other teams as well because of the back injury. It remains to be seen whether Redick's stock will drop in the June 28 NBA draft.

http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/sports/14829421.htm

BTW, Redick was the ONLY player who was measured in Orlando whose wingspan was LESS than his height?

[K-J]

Hey Asian:
You got video of Redick's most recent drive? If you don't, I'm sure the Durham Police Department will send you one.
Asian;
Still no video!!!!! C'mon , dude, I know you can find some. Did you check the DBR? How about Duke Update?

Very cheap shots.

[Ahdonis]

Get reall!!!!!!!! Please!!!!!!!!!

If Redick had injured himself or soemone else, then your point is valid. Fortunately, he didn't. By virtue of his OWN actions Redick set himself up for criticism.

Asian's constant reference to the VIDEOS set him up for a little DIG, if you will..

It's all good.

BTW, I guess Coach K didn't teach Redick to DRIVE very well.

[K-J]

Oh yeah your posts truelly criticized him.

I just don't the on-topic connection, and it doesn't add to the discussion. The only reason why you would post that, is to get back at Asian. And that, my friend, is what I call a cheap shot.

[Ahdonis]

Everybody sees what they want to see. If you think it's cheap, so be it. I don't think it's a big deal.

Maybe, JJ will get an endorsement deal with Anheuser-Busch.

I can't supply the video, but here is a snapshot. Enjoy.

http://www.deadspin.com/assets/2006/06/redickshotsmall.jpg

[K-J]

And as it seems so far, you're the only one who's enjoying this that much :rolleyes:

[Ahdonis]

Believe me, there are alot of people on alot of message boards enjoying it FAR more than I am. You should see some of the photoshops. They are amusing.


P.S. Here is a nother snapshot from a different site poking fun at this situation. It's a mild one, comparatively speaking.

http://www.truthaboutduke.com/busted.jpg

[K-J]

Believe me, there are alot of people on alot of message boards enjoying it FAR more than I am. You should see some of the photoshops. They are amusing.
Oh yeah which makes your posts much less worse. Still don't see a solid reason why you posted that.

[Ahdonis]

Still don't see a solid reason why you posted that.

Fortunately, I don't need your approval to post on this site.

[K-J]

Fortunately, I don't need your approval to post on this site.
Indeed, seeing how uselessness that is.

[Ahdonis]

We are agreed.

[metrocard]

http://i1.tinypic.com/s42fxc.jpg

[Ahdonis]

Is the back injury still lingering ? Coach K claimed it was a disc problem that was no longer a problem. The Saturday edition of the Philadelphia Enquirer quoted Sixer GM Billy King.

"King said Duke star J.J. Redick had to decline an invitation to work out because of an injury but added that Redick likely will come to PCOM for an interview. Redick reportedly has a back problem."

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/14890577.htm

[MikeATL]

Are rumors of Redick's back injury true or is he avoiding Foye, Carney, Brewer, and Jones? His agent denies he has a back injury , but he cancelled a Thursday workout with the Timberwolves.

Redick cancels workout: Duke guard J.J. Redick was scheduled to work out Thursday, but he canceled because of a back injury, Wolves coach Dwane Casey said. Redick was arrested early Tuesday and charged with driving while intoxicated in Durham, N.C. He reportedly canceled workouts with other teams as well because of the back injury. It remains to be seen whether Redick's stock will drop in the June 28 NBA draft.

http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/sports/14829421.htm

BTW, Redick was the ONLY player who was measured in Orlando whose wingspan was LESS than his height?

Redick's DWI will has hurt him somewhat, maybe 3-4 slots. The big question GM's have now is what is the status of his back. Some mock drafts have Redick slipping below the #20 slot. Redick isn't the most athletic player, is slow, so if in fact he does have a back problem, how will this affect his performance? Time will tell.

[Ahdonis]

I read on another site that Chad Ford had dropped Redick to #22 and the Nets. If this is true it is a huge fall, since Ford once had him going to Houston at #8. I think the DUI is of little consequence, but the back concerns are real.

[kingpudgey]

HAHa i have to admit im amused by ahdonis and his raves about how jj redick sucks.. and i have to agree.. i hope he will NEVER be drafted by the Magic. he can shoot... whoopdy doo.. people learn how to shoot when they get to the NBA.. prime example.. MICHAEL JORDAN.. the thing he is lacking is what is a necesity now in the NBA.. i could see Kobe tearing this man apart in 2.. he will be a liability on defense. jeff hornecek and jeff malone were great shooters, but this is the new age NBA, where you have have a dribble drive game to keep the defenders honest. he would be a third option at best.. and im being very generous... so keep up your posts ahdonis.. i am in total support!

[TRTR]

I think many of you are still missing the point when it comes to Redick. No one will draft him expecting him to be the same kind of player he was at Duke, so why continue to debate that issue? Redick will not be the NBA's MVP as he was the NCAA college player of the year.

NBA teams want someone who's a lethal long range assassin who can keep the interior defense honest. During the playoffs, how many times did you observe a team's big offensive gun double teamed and then pass the ball to a teammate who fired up a clunker? That's where JJ Redick comes into play, he can open up the defense and either force them to play one on one, or pay the price when Redick destroys them with long range bombs. In essence he will be a role player, or if you will, a specialist. No one will ask him to go one on one and be the man on offense.

Another guy with the same skill set is Mike Gansey from WV, who can shoot almost as well as Redick. Every time I watched him play the guy made big time shots in the clutch. I would love to see him go to Phoenix. Wow! Can you imagine another long range assassin on that team?

It will take awhile, but sooner or later, most NBA teams will catch on and eventually realize how important it is to have a great shooter who can keep the defense honest. Just ask the coaches of those teams who failed because their guys couldn't hit wide open shots after receiving a pass from the super star who was double or triple teamed.

[Ahdonis]

HAHa i have to admit im amused by ahdonis and his raves about how jj redick sucks.
I don't think Redick SUCKS and I agree with most of what TRTR claims, although I'm not quite as enthusiastic. Redick developed a bit of a dribble game, but it's not nearly good enough for the NBA as the many Redick fans think it is. When he would "ATTACK" the basket, he didn't try to score. He flailed his arms trying to get a call, which he usually got in the ACC.

He's not Hornacek, because Hornacek played the point in college and developed superior ball handling skills. Jeff Malone is a better comparison, but Malone had the ability to hit off balnce runners in the lane. That is not part of Redick's arsenal.

Redick will have an NBA career because he can shoot. I just wouldn't use a lottery pick on him.

BTW, I'm listening to Colin Cowherd as I write this and he has the same concerns about Redick. Colin said, " I'm about 20% sure that Redick can play in the NBA and I'm 80% sure that if he does play he won't shoot the ball as well as he did in college. He will have problems getting shots off."

[dirkthecanuck]

I think that Orlando will be a good fit for him although maybe not right away. I think Darko will become a top 5 center in the eastern conference very soon Maybe even by as early as next season he could be as good as Nenad Kristic is now. Shaq is still of course far ahead of any other centers like Illguskis, Kristic, Chandler, Curry etc. Other than Darko's predicted improvement they have a great PF and future first team allstar in the east in Dwight Howard. Their SF's are not much better than average with Turkgulu and an oft injured Grant Hill. Jameer Nelson is a quick and small PG. He will be a good one as he is learning how to slash into the lane and find Howard or Turkgulu which will soon enough also be Darko. Jameer has to improve his inconsitant outside shot however.

This is where Reddick fits in on a young and fast improving team. With Nelson slashing into the lane and either feeding Dwight Howard or Darko etc. this will leave the outside open for Reddick. Reddick has shown in college that he can hit contested shots with his quick release from as far out as 28 feet. Although not a very good leaper for the NBA (27 in. w/o a step and his verticle leap off the run of as much as 33.5 inches) which would put his hands 10-11 inches above the rim even with his short arms on his best jump as his reach is 8'1. This gives him the ability to dunk although he would almost never do so in game situations. Reddick is a less than average slasher for a SG but showed in workouts that he has more quickness than was expected of him with his fairly good 10.93 agility test and decent 3/4 court sprint time. It is my veiw that with his shot and headfakes he will have just enough speed to occasionally drive to the hoop and sometimes finish or dish it to Howard for a layup or back out to Jameer. J.J will often come off of screens to shoot outside and midrange shots. J.J will have to be protected in defense as guards like Dwayne Wade, Bryant and Iverson would torch him in one on one play. His prognosis for his first season is probably coming off the bench to releave Stevenson. However, I think he will eventually become a Drazen Petrovic type starter who as a 3rd scoring option should put up 15 pts a game in the prime of his carrer. Obviously he does not have enough talent to draw a double team or be a first option.

Another thing I wanted to comment on was the lack of respect some posters showed toward Jon Barry but especially Brent. They lumped Brent in with white SG's who don't cause chaos in a usuall racial slotting style. Brent Barry is a freak athlete and leaper who won a slam dunk contest and three point contest and is very quick and a pretty good dribbler. Yet for some reason he never became a game time all star. I think this had to do with a lack of commitment to him from coaches to let him be a primary option. Even in his prime with Seattle before being a sixth or seventh man behind Manu in San Antonio he was not a primary option. He consistently had a good shot selection and shot 50% from the floor as well as being a pretty good passer to boot. However, he never took enough shots to become even close to a 25 pt./ game man which I think he clearly had the potential to do. He seemed happy to accept his role as a role player SG/PG. To lump such a freak athlete in with Reddick probably b/c of his race is a ridiculous notion. I think his athletic skill is right up there with guys like Ray Allen , maybe even Kobe although that may be a bit of a stretch. I wouldn't lump Barry in w/ Wade b/c Wade is shorter and was voted as having the quickest step in the league one ahead of Allen Iverson. However Barry's potential never tranlatted to actual game time.

[dirkthecanuck]

JJ's biggest weakness is his defense. Guards like Kobe and Dwayne Wade would toast him in a one on one situation. The magic therefore would probably have to play zone or help defense in most situations. It is my guess that alot of JJ's shots in the NBA will come off of screens also considering he's not the best at creating his own shot. However with the outside open with the double teaming of Dwight Howard, Reddick will have some room on the outside. Although Reddick is good at head and shot fakes he will have to work on slashing to the hoop better when his shot isn't falling and finding the open man when he penetrates. He is not a very good slasher but is a decent passer although not good enough to run the point. His dribbling is only average for a shooting guard. He needs to work on scoring after slashing to the hoop although this will never be his main game.

[Hitster]

Reddick can be effective at Orlando, as has been said with teams perhaps having to double team Dwight Howard, he'll get scoring chances. A lot will depend on how Orlando will line up, will Darko start over Battie at Centre. How will they try and use Turkoglu and Hill if both are fit, if one of these ended up looking for minutes at SG, this could actually be quite useful for J.J as he could be part of a very good second string and will have a chance to get some experience without having to be matched against say Kobe or Wade straight away. If Orlando did use Turkoglu as SG for example they could be one of the strongest rebounding and blocking teams in the league with the likes of Howard, Darko and Hill having the ability to match or better most players in their respective positions rebound wise.

[ecuhus]

I expect Hill to draw a check, nothing more.

I think Redick knows how to funnel defensively, when he can't contain a oposing player. His experience playing alongside shotblocker Shelden should aid him in his transition, since he now has Darko (Dwight's not a bad shotblocker either).

[dirkthecanuck]

I think J.J's jump shooting game will be a lot like Jeff Hornecek's. J.J didn't score 26 pts/game as Duke's number one option simply by spot up jump shots. He would constantly be on the move i.e. Rip Hamilton and Reggie Miller. Yes he did often come off screens but the Jazz were also great at doing this for Hornecek who I think shooting wise is a very similar player. Heck, ditto the Pistons for Hamilton and the Pacers for Miller although both are longer players and a bit more athletic. When Asian discussed that slightly more than half of his shots came from inside the arc that was agreed to be true. However I also would agree that slightly more than half of his shots were not spot up shots. When you count the passes he got coming off screens he often dribbled a couple dribbles before shooting when I watched Duke. He also sometimes faked it and penetrated in for a midrange jumper. Then you’d have to count his lay-ups/floaters also, which even being a small part of his game contributes to his profile of being much more than a spot up shooter. To say he got the calls in the ACC...that would be no more than any other star college player. I would agree that Reddick lacks the assist skills of Hornecek. Hornecek often set up other players off the dribble. However, I think he could be a lot like Jeff Malone with a floater, lay-up or two per game. Reddick somewhat makes up for his short reach with his very quick release. If Reddick can't be a 3rd option starting shooting guard in this league then why did Duke make this "spot up shooter" their number one option ahead of Williams and McRoberts. Dukes other guards were not that great yet Reddick found nifty ways to score and was always on the move and is in great condition. He impressed teams with his workouts and actually tested above average for shooting guards in this draft with his cone agility drill at 10.93 seconds. His 3/4 court sprint was not much below average and his shooting was phenomenal. He was able to score in workouts against some of the top defenders. With a back problem DWI and all he still went 11th. I guess the NBA scouts don't know any better Ahdonis and Kirk. Reddick will play the same "style" of game he played in college in the NBA except in the NBA he will be a 3rd option who scores 14-15 pts. a game instead of the 26 in college. As for the remarks of him choking in the losses. Check out some of the games in the tournaments they won. He may not be clutch the way Jockim Noah or Adam Morrison was in the tournament but I don't think he's a choke artist. certainly as a number 3 option he will not have all the pressure and fan heckling that he had in college. Fans would actualy call him gay and make remarks about his mom. Him and Morrison got more Jeering than any college players ever. Duke simply did not have the developed talent other than Williams (who is no Jockim Noah) or Reddick. Reddick will be an average NBA starting shooting guard but a very important role player with his shooting in his prime. According to other players like Randy Foye who played against him and NBA scouts who drafted him high he is deceptively athletic. He can finish sometimes when he has to when the perimeter chances break down. He also learned to find Williams in the middle when he was heavily guarded on the perimeter. The clips Asian showed that I watched really surprised me and I think you should watch them also Adhonis and Kirk. The clips showed that he has some athletic ability that make him good enough with his other repertories to be an NBA starter. He wasn't the best college player in the country for nothing! As for the comparisons to other Duke player busts. Regarding Dunleavy and Christian Laetner. Dunleavy has definitely been a bust for where he was taken even Laetner who for a while was an above average starter was definitely a bust for a 3rd pick. In addition look at all the athletic guys who have been busts like Benoit Benjamin, Chris Washburn and Pervis Ellison, Michael Olwakondi, Joe Smith, Sam Bowie, Ralph Sampson, Yinka Darre, and recently Kwame Brown. Heck, even Derrick Coleman was a bust for being (I think) a top 3 pick. All of these aforementioned guys are top 3 picks. Tractor Traylor was a 6th pick. J.J was drafted after these guys. I am willing to bet right now that J.J will fill the magic’s needs as their number 11 pick and not be a bust at all!

[kirk14]

Only time will tell. And by the way all of the "athletic" players you mention as being busts were big men. Athleticism is much more important to two guards. Thankfully we won't have to wait long to see how he plays. Like Ahdonis, I don't think he sucks. I merely think he has some skills lacking to make him truly succesful and worthy of a high draft pick.

[wombat6802]

Joe Smith a bust? Cmon, I mean I know he didn't perform that well, but still. To lump him in with Yinka and Sam Bowie is just unfoari. Laetner wasn't a bust really. We use the term bust too literally. Each of these guys provided some quality PT for their respective teams. Derrick Coleman wasn't a number 1 pick nor a bust... Diop isn;t a bust either. If you saw him play this season you know that he's got a lot going for him and certainly is not a bust. Kwame still has some time to become a good ballplayer. There are some true busts. These guys aren't busts.... not compared to true ones.

[dirkthecanuck]

Ok I'll admit Diop is not a bust. He actually performed pretty well in this last playoffs for the Mavs and was instrumental defensivley in helping to contain Tim Duncan. However, I would still consider all the others busts. When I say a bust I don't mean as far as their playing time I mean it as far as significantly underperforming for where they were drafted. Derrick Coleman was definitley a bust for the Nets although he did become a pretty good player with the Sixers for a few years. He was not a team player at all with the Nets and was often out of shape and contributed to those teams failures rather than success. The best players on those teams that Coleman played on where Kenny Anderson and later on Kendill Gill a great defender. Speaking of former Nets players Drazen Petrovic is someone J.J Reddick resembles in style of play. I don't know if Reddick will be quite as good a player as Petrovic. Drazen was becoming Pretty good before a car accident sadly took his life. Laetner was an above average starter for a few years in his prime but is a bust although not a huge one for a 3rd pick. I will also admit that Kwame Brown maybe even N. Tskitishvilli may still have time to become good players. I also am expecting big things from former 2nd pick Darko with the Magic this year!

[Ahdonis]

How do you like JJ , so far. There must be a reason ge has been losing minutres to Keyon Dooling and Kieth Bogans. Has any lottery pick played fewere minutes???

[kirk14]

They'll blame injuries, but he has been healthy for quite awhile and still is losing time to the aforementioned stiffs.

[coachjon]

it is hard to assess a guys rookie season on 11games. but yes he has been a disappointment for a guy that was thought to come in and be the starting shooting guard. he is only playing about 13min a game and is shooting well from 3. about half of his shots are 3's so as of right now he is a 3pt shooter off the bench that plays in spot minutes when orlando needs a shooter on the floor. so he is looking more like a bust like trajan langdon was so people who called it i am not afraid to say you were right i didn't think he would be a bust. but like i said he has only played in 11 games so far this year so it is hard to judge for sure his pro game but it is not looking good for him.

[wombat6802]

It's sad though, really. He just has no confidence. Absolutely none. He is too smart to make the kinds of bad decisions that he does, too smart to pass up good shots and take bad ones, too smart to turn the ball over or stunt the flow of offense. I really think that being in Orlando (whether you want to blame it on Coach Hill, his injury which kind of set him back in terms of everything, and even his lackluster play in limited minutes) has just shattered his self-confidence. He is simply too good to be playing this bad. There is so much that he could contribute. For his sake, he needs to be sent to the D-League or traded or something. It's just a miserable situation for him where he is really not needed and not respected. Seeing what has happened in similar situations, he should probably think about finding a way out or completely revitilizing himself over the course of the summer.

[Hitster]

It's been a very disappointing season for him what with his injury apart from a recent game against NJN, he has done very little. I never thought that he would be a starter this year but should have had the ability to see, 15 mpg behind Hill or Turkoglu. Maybe a D-League spell will doi him good but can Orlando really afford to give up on him, Hill and Darko are free agents this summer, their draft pick goes to Detroit, their 2005 draft pick is somewhere in Spain, the roster could well be quite different very soon.

[Ahdonis]

As you may know, I was never a big Redick guy. I think his offensive game is very one-dimensional and without the ability to create on his own.

That being said, I don't understand Orlando. They are paying him a ton of money, why not find out what you are paying for?? It's not like they are going to win the NBA championship.

[Hitster]

Orlando's biggest need last draft time was an SG, Reddick was probably the best available at their draft position. They would have watched him seen his workouts, watched the games, looked at the analysis. NBA teams don't just take a punt on players blindly of course a lot of drafting is based on upside/potential and I'm sure that Reddick was never seen as a contributing player from day one but at least he's got Darko who can teach him how to become a great bench sitter from his days at Detroit (Nice game by Darko last night, 14pts, 10rpg, 4bpg)

[kirk14]

I agree that he should be playing. I don't think the idea of sending him down to the D-League is a good idea. If he doesn't play well there then his confidence will be even lower. And who knows if the D-League team would even have a decent post player to open up some shot opportunities for him.

[Hitster]

A spell in the D-League may be what is required, to be fair the two bigs in the draft in front of Reddick have both been sent to the D-League this season so he's not the only highly drafted player to suffer this fate. He would also benefit from a Summer League spell as if the Magic make the play-offs he could well not even make the 12 man rota.

[Ahdonis]

I know Patrick O'Bryant and Mouhamed Sene have spent time in the NBDL. On draft day,these were considered to be much more of a project than Redick, who has spent (4) years in the ACC.

Maybe, Redick has reached his potential and the Magic see no reason to send him to the NBDL. They have sent Augustine down, so they are not totolly against using the NBDL to develop their players.

[Hitster]

With Grant being out for a couple of weeks maybe JJ will see some playing time over the next few games.

[Ahdonis]

Two playoff games.Two losses. ZERO playoff minutes for Redick.

[nextstar1019]

because hes like 3rd or 4th string

[Ahdonis]

Lottery picks aren't supposed to be 3rd or 4th string.