Official Thread: Marc Gasol [Archive]

Genjuro

03-03-2006, 08:54 PM

Why is it that he plays so little in Barcelona?
His stats look good for his playing time.
He's too slow to fit what coach Ivanovic wants from a center. Dusko likes mobile guys that can eventually switch defensively with smaller guys. Anyway, he's still inconsistent, particularly on defense, and I think it should have been better for him to be loaned somewhere else for this season. There's way too much pressure in Barcelona to win and he's not that intriguing.

Rivo

03-04-2006, 05:40 PM

He's too slow to fit what coach Ivanovic wants from a center. Dusko likes mobile guys that can eventually switch defensively with smaller guys. Anyway, he's still inconsistent, particularly on defense, and I think it should have been better for him to be loaned somewhere else for this season. There's way too much pressure in Barcelona to win and he's not that intriguing.

Marc Gasol doesn't play because he is very lazy and his coach hates it.

Ivanzx

05-09-2006, 06:35 PM

It seems he hasn't improved at all, he hasn't had any chance to play, and that shows he hasnt been working very hard in Dusko Ivnovic's opinion.

Rorschach

08-28-2006, 09:57 PM

I think Marc's game is being quite interesting during this World Championship. He's being really solid on defense, guarding even smaller and faster guys, while rebounding and blocking much more than expected from him, and he has also proven that he has a more than decent short-mid range shot.

I've never been high on him, but sincerely, he has proven enough for me to make me think Ivanovic has been stupid holding him to that few playing time.

The best thing that could have happened to him was playing the upcoming season with Akasvayu. I can easily imagine a fast progression just like his brother did, although I don't think Marc will get that far I think he can get to the NBA in a few years without much trouble.

11player

08-30-2006, 05:32 PM

Marc need a total remodeling of his body to reach the top of his game. He is too heavy, too much body fat.

With a slimmer, muscular frame he could do a lot more damage, secure his spot at the NT and even play at the NBA. He is an intriguing prospect.

ermis7

09-02-2006, 06:12 AM

Marc isnt a very good player... In Spanish national team is playing because of his famous brother

pup2plywif

09-11-2006, 05:00 AM

marc definitely needs an overhaul. He needs to get in shape badly not to mention how slow he is. He will never make it to the NBA with his attitude and laziness.

11player

09-25-2006, 02:29 PM

Mark has been getting more pt in Girona and looks like he is responding.

He should take his good momentum from the WC ahead to the spanish league and try to have some sort of breakout season, despite Girona's deep frontcourt, where he will have to share minutes with Fucka, Bagaric and German Gabriel.

11player

10-18-2006, 04:49 PM

I may be wrong, but it looks like he moved ahear of Bagaric in the rotation.
Nice game last Sunday - 15 pts, 6 rebs, 2 blks in 20 min.

mullet is gone

10-19-2006, 10:52 AM

Maybe moving to a smaller club is the kick up the arse he needs. People shouldnt be so quick to write off a 21 year old seven footer

Hitster

10-19-2006, 11:47 AM

Interesting prospect, has done nothing really yet in my book. Needs to develop but as has been said he's young, big and has potential. Could well be a Ginobli senario player who can delay entry into the NBA until around 24-25 and then have a good career. If Marc didn't come over to the NBA to around 2009/2010 it would not be a disaster, he'd still have limited miles on the clock, and could still have a decent NBA career.

11player

11-20-2006, 01:58 PM

he's doing well in Girona, has been getting consistent pt and contributing, but is it enough to get himself drafted?

I'd say somebody will pick him at the second round just to keep his rights, if the situation remain the same.

Genjuro

11-20-2006, 07:00 PM

Hitster

11-21-2006, 12:49 PM

Totally agree if Marc does declare in 2007, he'd be a no brainer pick anywhere past about number 40 as with those picks contracts aren't guaranteed andc you take a shot at someone with upside. Any team looking for a potential future big man might consider him, give him a season at Girona and then maybe a couple of years at Barca along with 2008 Olympics. Say around 2009 when he'd still only be 24, if his buy-out wasn't too large a team could bring him over and look at him pre-season and then decide whether to sign him.

11player

11-24-2006, 03:26 PM

As an 1985 prospect he is automatically eligible for the next draft, so he will be in.

Anybody think he could crack the first round?

He's stil rather unproven, but if he can manage to outplay Fucka and Bagaric and become he main post player of the team, with an impressive showing in the playoffs, things could change.

coachjon

11-25-2006, 12:49 PM

as of right now i don't even think he gets drafted let alone in the first round.

11player

11-27-2006, 04:07 PM

He's just fresh off another good performance in Spain.
24:27
19pts
5 rebs
1 blk

Hitster

11-28-2006, 05:38 AM

Good to see him playing and getting some success, I was wondering if there would be such interest in him if his name wasn't Gasol. His world championship performances were interesting and with teams such as Toronto in particular looking to the EuroLeague, then I'm sure that if he continues to see some minutes that he'll attract interest.

On the flip side a lot of the EuroLeague players who have come to the NBA are already proven players such as Garbajosa and Anthony Parker etc. Picking up on Coachjon's point that Marc may not get drafted at all, if you remember a player as good as Luis Scola was only drafted number 56 and he was certainly a better player in 2002 than what Gasol will be say next summer or in 2008. On another note I'm sure the Spurs would still love to try and get Scola over especially given the success they have had drafting from Europe and signing players from there in recent years.

pablinho

11-29-2006, 07:46 AM

Marc Gasol named as national MVP last week

He is improving a lot and using his 7.0 and weight to intimidate a lot, his numers this years :

till match -10º:

ACB league : mpg 21.1 points 9.9 rebounds 5.7 54% field

11player

12-04-2006, 03:01 PM

10 pts and 12 boards, in 30 minutes during the weekend.

mullet is gone

12-05-2006, 12:51 PM

The desire for foreign players has increased since 2002. Gasol's got size, if he puts any kind of decent campaign together and shows people he also has game someone will take a punt on him in the second round. The surname helpls but pau's secret five' seven brother josé isnt seeing too much hype so there must be something else to him.

ballaholic

12-09-2006, 06:52 PM

hes pau's brother right?

Rorschach

12-11-2006, 09:58 AM

^^

Yep

martin

01-04-2007, 07:02 AM

great season 0_o , he is surprising every one game by game, he´s growing and becoming one of the most important players inside the paint in ACB. He´s shooting well and taking reponsabilities in akasvayu girona. very good numbers...

those are : http://www.acb.com/stspartidojug.php?cod_jugador=B4W&cod_competicion=LACB&cod_edicion=51

remember that this guy didn´t play anything last year..
he´s improving game by game.. he'll be a good option for the draft

mullet is gone

01-04-2007, 12:25 PM

Pity his rebounding is as bad as his brothers.

KristianH

01-04-2007, 01:26 PM

I liked him when nobody talked about Marc year ago when he was riding the pine at Barcelona, but right now he is getting overrated as far as draft is concerned. Im satisfied with his development this season, and he will most certainly became one of better players in Europe, but given his slow feet anything outside of late 2nd round would surprise me. He isn`t first round prospect by any means for me.

grizz101

03-04-2007, 05:29 PM

Ok, this opinion is coming from a guy who watched him at games in Memphis a few times.

He is lazy, inexperianced, and shouldn't be a prospect. He is only a prospect because of his last name. I don't see anything that makes him a prospect.

coachjon

03-04-2007, 08:49 PM

i think he could go late first to mid second i mean he does have the last name backing him and he is having a pretty decent year overseas. we all know how teams at the end of the first will take a guy with the intent of saving cap money and keeping him overseas for either a year or two or forever. he could be one of those kind of guys in this years draft.

CV3bandwagon

03-04-2007, 09:24 PM

^Why would a team wishing to save cap money take a flier on an overseas guy with no attempt to sign him? Any unsigned 1st round picks still count against the cap according to their rookie scale. This is why Orlando wishes to trade Vasquez, and will renounce his rights if they don't after the draft.

coachjon

03-04-2007, 09:51 PM

i was mistaken by the rule then or you are. i had the understanding when teams keep their players overseas if they hadn't signed a contract with them it doesn't go onto their cap, but they retain the rights to those players. like pecherov and freeland aren't counting on the wizards and blazers cap this year because they never signed with the team.

i dont think the magic are pissed at vazquez because he is counting against their cap i think it is because they were counting on bringing him over right away and then he decided not to come over. so they are trying to trade his rights for something in return that they can use right away. i don't think it has anything to do with him taking a hit on their salary cap.

CV3bandwagon

03-04-2007, 09:56 PM

Navvaro was a secound round pick. Freeland isn't paid, btu his rookie scale (which is small for the 30th 30 pick yea) still counts against the cap. It's only unsigned 1st round draft picks. This is to unsure that team do not spend all they can up until the cap and then sign their rookies. It's a similar situation where until a qualifying offer is recinded that it counts against a teams cap, or how bird rights count against your cap in free agency until you resign or recind the bird rights to that player.

coachjon

03-04-2007, 09:58 PM

This is a quote directly out of the collective bargaining agreement:

If the player is already under contract to, or signs a contract with a non-NBA team, the team retains the player's draft rights for one year after the player's obligation to the non-NBA team ends. Essentially, the clock stops as long as the player plays pro ball outside the NBA. Players are not included in the team's team salary while the player is under contract with a non-NBA team.

In any of the above cases, if the team does not sign the player in the allotted time, the player becomes a rookie free agent.

When a team signs a first round draft pick in a year other than the year in which he was drafted, the player is signed using the salary scale for the year in which he is signed, not the year in which he was drafted. An exception to this is for players drafted prior to 2005, under the previous CBA. These players may be signed according to the rules for scale contracts set forth in the previous CBA, including three guaranteed years plus one option year, at the scale salary for the year in which the player was drafted.

CV3bandwagon

03-04-2007, 10:06 PM

They are only counted against a team salary for the free agent period, not the season to count against luxary tax. I'll re-read the CBA faq again quickly.

CV3bandwagon

03-04-2007, 10:07 PM

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#14

14. Exactly what is included when computing total team salaries?

.....

-The "scale" amount for the team's unsigned first-round draft pick(s) (see question number 43). This amount begins applying to the team's team salary immediately upon selection in the draft. However, this is not the same as his trade value (see question number 71).

43. Do draft picks count against the team's salary cap? If so, how much?

Unsigned first round picks are included in team salary immediately upon their selection in the draft. They count as 100% of the scale salary for that pick, unless there is a verbal agreement for a higher salary. An incident occurred prior to the 1997-98 season when Vancouver's first round pick, Antonio Daniels, revealed in an interview that he and the team had verbally agreed to a contract starting at the maximum salary (120% of the scale amount). Since verbal agreements apply to the salary cap, the league then changed the team's cap figure from the scale amount to 120% of scale.
Once a first round pick signs a contract, his actual salary is included in the team salary, of course.

Unsigned second round picks are not included in team salary. This is a loophole that Houston once tried to use by trading a first round pick for a second round pick in order to clear cap room.

As described in question number 71, the trade value of an unsigned first or second round draft pick is always $0.

coachjon

03-10-2007, 11:25 AM

UPDATED GASOL
i think he could go late first to mid second and develop into a top bench player 6th, 7th, or 8th man.

He is strong, good hands, skilled in low post (gets solid post position, can power up for dunk, soft touch on jumphook, turnaround jumper, spin move, needs to work on becoming quicker when making moves), good passer out of double team, draws fouls and can finish after contact, good post defender (struggles to guard athletic players so will struggle in NBA and get in foul trouble), good basketball IQ, plays hard, not very athletic, slow, poor conditioning, not very mobile, can't block shots, poor off ball defender.

mullet is gone

03-23-2007, 06:47 AM

NBADraft.net have him at 20 in the first round, seems a bit of a reach......

Genjuro

03-23-2007, 08:30 AM

NBADraft.net have him at 20 in the first round, seems a bit of a reach......
That would be, in my opinion, his very top ceiling in the draft. Very late first to early second round sounds more realistic to me. Still, guys like Aaron Gray or Kyle Visser are consistently projected in the first round, and I don't think he's a worse prospect than them.

KristianH

03-23-2007, 10:48 AM

I agree on the Visser/Gray part, but i don`t see him cracking the first round. At beggining of the season he was severely underrated, but now is getting overrated a bit. He doesn`t have a potential of the first round pick in my eyes, i see him a as backup Center in his prime.

wombat6802

03-23-2007, 07:12 PM

Visser is much quicker than he is, though. I'd certainly hope that he is on Gray's level... To be slower/less offensively and defensively flexible than Gray basically means you're Monmouth's John Bunch.

11player

05-29-2007, 04:55 PM

Now that his season is over in Spain, after his team lost to Barcelona and was eliminated from the playoffs, he may come to the US I'd say.

Any word about his plans?

pablinho

06-01-2007, 06:06 PM

Now that his season is over in Spain, after his team lost to Barcelona and was eliminated from the playoffs, he may come to the US I'd say.

Any word about his plans?

Last info he is going to watch the draft by internet with his brother and probably with Rudy Fernadez. ( they are all in Barcelona probably)

About both players, they have another year of contract with his club, Rudy could jump to NBA this year, the buy out for NBA team is lower and probably his team prefers to earn a bit of money reducing buy out and selling him now than wait one year and let him go free.

About Marc he has one year with Akasvayu Girona, but his old team F.C. Barcelona can buy him cheap if they wants, Marc said his future atm is in the ACB, and probably the next year if he continues playing at the level of this season, then he could go to NBA. Marc Gasol seems to prefer to be solid again ( he basicly only played GREAT level since WChampionship) and then jump to NBA

11player

06-04-2007, 05:20 PM

Thanks

jwfish6

06-04-2008, 11:44 AM

What are the chances of him coming over and signing for Memphis next year? I think this has alot to do with what direction the Grizzlies go in the draft. If they have commited to Gasol, then they can draft Mayo for the wing or Love for the high post. But if Gasol is not coming over, they would porbably trade up to Minnesota for a chance at grabbing Brook Lopez. I am very surprised this has not been talked about a little more.